From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (sentience@pobox.com)
Date: Wed Mar 31 1999 - 15:46:35 MST
Lyle Burkhead wrote:
>
> Well, it doesn't bother me. Maybe we disagree less than I thought. I
> don't use the word Singularity, but my ultimate aim is probably similar
> to yours.
What's your ultimate aim.
> Raising money isn't a problem for me at this stage of my
> life; I am pursuing my own projects with my own money. But I certainly
> agree that action is essential, and action requires money.
Lucky you! How'd you get there? What projects?
> I wonder: why do you think it is necessary to pursue your project under
> the aegis of Extropianism?
What do you mean by "under the aegis"?
Using the usual definition - the cause I feel responsible to - I operate
under the aegis of Externalism. (No, I am not going to define it one
more damn time - if you want to know, I think there's something in
_Coding_.) Anything else, including the Singularity, is a means to an end.
> -- or Singularitarianism, which sounds even
> more cultish?
Heh. Do you suppose I haven't been trying to think of a less awkward phrase?
But I don't even label my project Extropy - I disagree with the
Practical Optimism principle - although I do suppose that the project is
about ultratechnology, so it is Extropianist, and it is certainly Singularitarian.
> There is another meme that *is* about making money, and
> that meme plays a more fundamental role in your life than Extropianism.
Greed? Survival? Hedonism?
> Maybe a simple reframe is all you need. Your project could be conceived
> in a different context, described in different terms, and carried out
> under a different aegis. As I said in one of my last posts before
> dropping off the list two years ago, Extropianism is just a watered down
> version of the ur-meme. Why not go back to the real thing? Your own
> people will give you all the money you need, if you explain what you
> want to do in terms that make sense to them. That would be one way to
> set events in motion.
Yeah? What is this ur-meme, and how would I need to rephrase the
Elisson Project before someone (say, you) would start writing checks?
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