From: Delvieron@aol.com
Date: Fri Mar 19 1999 - 16:47:30 MST
Mike,
Glad you liked some of my musings. You suggested that a way to deal with
the loss of concensus was to have a way for dissenters to opt out. I have
also contemplated this as a compromise measure, but I'm not sure this would
then be a concensus. True, if all parties were agreed that a separation into
two or more separate groups were the best course of action, then we would
maintain a concensus as to the way to deal with disagreement (we all agree
that those who think this way should be over here, and those who think that
way should be over there). However, what if someone who originally was a part
of the concensus changes their mind, decides that they want to do things
differently. In your scenario, there would be a means of having that person
"opt out", but what if that person doesn't want to do so? What if they say,
"This is my home, this is where everything and everyone I care about is. I'm
not going anywhere....if you don't like the way I've decided to do things,
then you leave!" Well, the majority could decide for the sake of tranquility
to simply let this group be, acquiesce as it were. But what if the
disagreement was on something fundamental which impacted everyone? I guess
what I am saying is, sometimes people aren't willing to budge, in any way,
shape or form. At this point the concensus ceases to exist.
BTW, I find the "I don't care either way option" interesting, sort of
granting special permission for others to decide, but not letting it be
assumed.
As for the residency requirement, I think it might work in some cases, but
not all that I described. What if you could make a perfect emulation of
someone? Which is the original, and which is the copy? Which gets to claim
all the years of residency before the copying occurred? Or do you give up all
your voting rights if you are duplicated for a certain number of years? And
what of the Borganism which was twelve thousand separate voters until a few
months ago? Does it get all those votes? Does it get any at all? After all,
the Borganism wasn't a resident, all of them were. I think the identity
problem is still there. In the cases of clearly definable duplicates, you
might be able to impose a residency requirement successfully (especially if it
were some long time such as ten years), but I can see people complaining that
you are discriminating, and that since they have all the same memories and
experiences of the home state/city/political unit, and are effected by any
laws passed or people elected, then they have just as much right and ability
to vote. Unfortunately, I haven't thought of a satisfying answer to this
question yet.
"Resources do not have rights." - I agree they do not; I guess I was using
them as a gauge of the amount of resources that would voluntarily be available
for any enterprise voted on. I don't really like this concept, but it was the
clearest alternative I could see to a head count, which might get confusing in
the near future. Of course, trying to quantify resources might be as daunting
a task if we take all forms of wealth and ability into account.
As for defenders, much of their advantage dissipates if they are not
expecting an attack....this is the offense's great strength, the ability to
choose when, where, and if a fight will occur. It is true that in our mock
battle of voting, the defense gives up its strong position, but the offense
gives up the element of surprise. I don't know which, if either, is the
greater loss of advantage.
Glen
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