Re: Group Entity "Illusion"

From: Ian Goddard (Ian@Goddard.net)
Date: Thu Jan 28 1999 - 23:01:21 MST


At 02:54 PM 1/28/99 -0700, Dick.Gray@bull.com wrote:

>In this case, a form of the fallacy of composition, i.e. considering a
>composite (or abstraction) as on the same ontological level as its
>components, and attributing characteristics of components to the composite
>itself. As in "the rights of society", or "the good of society", or
>"government action".

  IAN: I've shown how collectives, like life, have
  attributes that individuals DO NOT have, yet the
  composition fallacy is confined only to alleging
  a false similarity between part and whole. See:

http://www.assiniboinec.mb.ca/user/downes/fallacy/compos.htm

  So my showing that a collective has attributes that
  an individual does NOT have as the basis for defining
  the "entityness" of a group is opposite to the fallacy
  of composition, which pertains only to assuming a thing
  they DO (but in fact do not) have in common, and thus
  my analysis negates your composition-fallacy claim.

  As we've observed, considering a composite system
  (like an atom, a stone, a person, or a galaxy) as
  an entity doesn't create a contradiction, indeed,
  seeing the collective entity is a key to knowledge.

  The price of broccoli in a free market measures
  "the good of society" (which you call a "delusion")
  since it is the voice of society (demand) measured
  against the supply of that which is demanded. To
  deny the social entity is to deny economics, which
  necessarily sees society as a composite entity.

>>IAN: I don't believe that a case has been made
>>that the thing called "society" is an illusion.
>
>Society is not an illusion. Treating society as a "thing" is an illusion,
>or rather a delusion.
>
>>A group entity is an illusion because.... ????
>
>"Illusion" is your word, not mine.

  IAN: Actually it was Freespeak's word, not
  mine, and your defending that case, since
  you called the group entity a "delusion."

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