From: Ian Goddard (Ian@Goddard.net)
Date: Thu Jan 28 1999 - 23:01:21 MST
At 02:54 PM 1/28/99 -0700, Dick.Gray@bull.com wrote:
>In this case, a form of the fallacy of composition, i.e. considering a
>composite (or abstraction) as on the same ontological level as its
>components, and attributing characteristics of components to the composite
>itself. As in "the rights of society", or "the good of society", or
>"government action".
IAN: I've shown how collectives, like life, have
attributes that individuals DO NOT have, yet the
composition fallacy is confined only to alleging
a false similarity between part and whole. See:
http://www.assiniboinec.mb.ca/user/downes/fallacy/compos.htm
So my showing that a collective has attributes that
an individual does NOT have as the basis for defining
the "entityness" of a group is opposite to the fallacy
of composition, which pertains only to assuming a thing
they DO (but in fact do not) have in common, and thus
my analysis negates your composition-fallacy claim.
As we've observed, considering a composite system
(like an atom, a stone, a person, or a galaxy) as
an entity doesn't create a contradiction, indeed,
seeing the collective entity is a key to knowledge.
The price of broccoli in a free market measures
"the good of society" (which you call a "delusion")
since it is the voice of society (demand) measured
against the supply of that which is demanded. To
deny the social entity is to deny economics, which
necessarily sees society as a composite entity.
>>IAN: I don't believe that a case has been made
>>that the thing called "society" is an illusion.
>
>Society is not an illusion. Treating society as a "thing" is an illusion,
>or rather a delusion.
>
>>A group entity is an illusion because.... ????
>
>"Illusion" is your word, not mine.
IAN: Actually it was Freespeak's word, not
mine, and your defending that case, since
you called the group entity a "delusion."
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