From: phoenix@ugcs.caltech.edu
Date: Fri Jan 22 1999 - 13:37:48 MST
Mike Linksvayer <ml@justintime.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday I saw Ray Kurzweil give a short talk promoting "The
> Age of Spiritual Machines" at Stacey's in downtown San Francisco.
Hey, I was there.
> chess master would be beheaded. Kurzweil claimed that we are at
> a similar midpoint with regards to computers -- fairly quietly
> they have become an integral part of human society, and will soon
> radically alter it.
Problem. He claims computer doubling is now once a year, and also makes
noises about what computers will be like in 2050. Possibly that's just for
effect, but assuming 50 doublings from now -- he claimed 32 in the past
century -- is a lot. A 10^15 increase in power for the same cost.
> The audience was either already well informed or just took all of this in
> stride. The questions were very predictable, but not stupid, e.g.
I got the impression from watching people near me that some number were amused
and disbelieving. "What a freak."
Question that wasn't asked: what about the exponential increase in cost of
research and manufacture? (Well, fab plants get more and more expensive.)
> Overall I thought Kurzweil presented his ideas very reasonably.
> No hint of 'gee whiz'.
True. He also began the talk with a demonstration of his speech recognition
software, which seemed to work well after being adjusted to the acoustics.
I got no feel for how this book might differ from the Age of Intelligent
Machines, not that I know anything about that book.
Neil Gaiman the next day was a much more amusing speaker.
(On Searle:)
> Nothing amazing there. The interesting thing is that he claimed
> that a century ago there were intense debates about whether life
> could have a purely biological foundation. Many postulated that
> for a thing to be alive it needed a mystical 'life force', which
> the mechanics of biology would never suffice to produce. Very
Century, hah. Dawkins in _Unweaving the Rainbow_ quoted some 1920s or 30s
text describing 'the gene', and then going on to caution that the student
should not make the mistake of thinking that the gene was a concrete thing;
that while it played a role in biology analogous to the atom in chemistry, it
was not a thing like an atom, and had no meaning outside of a living spell.
Then came Watson, Crick, and their unnamed assistant, and vitalism died a
quick death. When you can extract a gene into a test tube, copy it, put the
copies into unrelated cells, and get the protein back... well, what can one
say?
I expect copying minds back and forth would cause a similar cessation of
debate. Not total, some would still insist the minds weren't minds, but
similar.
-xx- Damien Raphael Sullivan X-)
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