Re: Objective standards of conduct [was Re: Dyson (Was: Paths to Uploading)]

From: Samael (Samael@dial.pipex.com)
Date: Tue Jan 12 1999 - 09:55:42 MST


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick.Gray@bull.com <Dick.Gray@bull.com>
To: extropians@extropy.com <extropians@extropy.com>
Date: 12 January 1999 16:45
Subject: Re: Objective standards of conduct [was Re: Dyson (Was: Paths to
Uploading)]

>
>
>Me:
>>You might want to check out some recent work in the field of ethology (the
>>science of animal behavior). All social animals tend to avoid "antisocial"
>>behavior, as those who don't, tend to find their lineages weeded out of
>the
>>gene pool.
>
>Samael:
>>You know, I could have sworn that I read an article in New Scientist over
>>the last few months that found that infidelity was extremely high in
>>animals, who try as hard as possible not to get caught.
>
>Depends on what you call "infidelity". Some species are promiscuous, others
>mate for life. In those species where promiscuity is the norm, it's
>perfectly "acceptable" behavior. Promiscuity is not infidelity, since no
>long-term bond of trust is expected. Individuals of species with a
>tradition of "marriage" OTOH are seldom observed to violate the bond--and
>those who practice infidelity often face sanctions.

The article included geese (long thought to mate for life) and found that
they in fact didn't. They just hid it very well (it used genetics to track
parentage and found it wasn't what it should have been). It also looked at
primate (I think chimpanzees) and found that some of them were expert at
arranging assignations. One particularly amusing example was of two
chimpanzees pretending to forage with their top halves while having sex with
their bottom halves, both of them surpressing the normal chimpanzee mating
noises (which are rather loud).

Samael



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