From: michael k teehan (miketeehan@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sat Dec 20 1997 - 04:20:21 MST
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> From: michael k teehan <miketeehan@worldnet.att.net>
> To: extropians@extropy.com
> Subject: Re: Re Look out! long hair gun loon!
> Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 7:38 PM
>
>
>
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> > From: Michael Lorrey <retroman@together.net>
> > To: extropians@extropy.com
> > Subject: Re: Re Look out! long hair gun loon!
> > Date: Thursday, December 18, 1997 11:21 PM
> >
> > Wayne Hayes wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian D Williams <talon57@well.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > "A country that wants to
> > > > be unarmed and free
> > > > wants what never has
> > > > been, and never will be."
> > >
> > > > Thomas Jefferson
> > >
> > > Obviously neither you nor Jefferson have heard of, say, Canada, or
most
> > > of the countries in Western Europe of late. Jefferson has the excuse
> > > that Western Europe had a substantially different face when he was
> alive.
> > > What's yours?
> > >
> > > You may be right in the long term, but it's too soon to say.
> >
> > I would not say that Canada, nor Western Europe, are explicitly free,
> > i.e. that they do not have Bills of Rights written that are part of the
> > Constitution of the nation. That so much speech, arms bearing, etc is
> > limited in many of these nations "for the common good" indicates that
> > the governments of these nations do not beleive that authority is
> > delegated to governments by the people, or that while they may beleive
> > this, they are able to use staged or exaggerated events (its not what
> > happens, but what the news say happens) to aid in propaganda efforts
> > that convince the people that they need to give up this or that
> > increment of freedom.
> >
> > Considering the extremes of repression, holocaust, governmental
> > instability, and outright warfare throughout history in this region,
and
> > even in this century alone, I think that Western Europe is a completely
> > pathetic example of unarmed countries where freedom and peaceful
> > coexistence is concerned.
> > --
> > TANSTAAFL!!!
> > Michael Lorrey
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > mailto:retroman@together.net Inventor of the Lorrey Drive
> > MikeySoft: Graphic Design/Animation/Publishing/Engineering
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > How many fnords did you see before breakfast today?
> >
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