From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Dec 07 2002 - 09:28:49 MST
--- Samantha Atkins <samantha@objectent.com> wrote:
> Spudboy100@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Peace must be a two-way street to work. Under the Wahabbis and
> Iranian
> > Shiite Mullahs, Dar Es Salaam (The House of Peace) is apparently
> > achieved when the world is brought under Sharia, which is Islamic
> Law.
> >
> > There is the peace of exhaustion/victory, which is what we
> experienced,
> > last century in your neck of the woods. And that is what it might
> come
> > to, because the Jihadi opponents deeply believes in their ultimate
> triumph.
> >
> > What you and the "peace movement" seem to be saying is that peace
> at any
> > price is acceptable?
>
>
> Did Martin Luther King or Gandhi teach "peace at any price"?
They promoted a view that 100% of the troubles of their people were the
fault of others, that their people were to be perpetually a victim
class, and that they should emphasize this by adopting only those
strategies that do the most to portray them as helpless victims who
need rescuing.
In the end, they have both been proven quite wrong.
> Did those who have been on the front lines of opposing social
> injustice and working for the liberation of a people
> non-violently support "peace at any price"? No, they put their
> lives on the line for what they believed was right. They most
> certainly did not accept the status quo or whatever the
> non-peaceful wished without opposition in the name of "peace".
On the contrary, the peace movement actively worked to keep the US out
of WWI, thus prolonging the war and causing the unneeded death and
injury of many millions of people.
The peace movement before and during WWII were aware of the treatment
of the Jews by the Nazis and chose to actively work to keep the US out
of the war, to Germany's advantage, and the Jews disadvantage.
The peace movement was also aware of the Japanese treatment of the
Korean and Chinese peoples, yet actively worked to keep the US out of
conflict with the Empire of Japan, to Japan's advantage, and to the
disadvantage of hundreds of thousands of Koreans and Chinese.
The peace movement actively worked to deny the purges and executions of
millions of Soviet citizens, they worked against western efforts to
fight the Bolsheviks and portrayed the Bolshevik world as "The Workers'
Paradise".
The pacifists in the Truman administration refused to allow us to go
north of the Yalu River, to end the communist threat on the Korean
Penninsula once and for all. Millions of Koreans are dead and millions
more are enslaved and starving as a result.
The pacifists in the Johnson administration and in the US university
system actively worked against a US victory in Vietnam, the anti-war
movement and liberal media like Time Magazine is documented to have
been propaganda arms of the NVA.
The peace movement actively worked against Reagan's military buildup,
failing to win this once, and as a result, the USSR was toppled by a
bankruptcy Reagan forced them into (and which they have credited to
him). Why this couldn't have been done decades sooner is surely also
the fault of the peace movement.
The blood of millions is on the hands of the pacifists.
> Peace is an aspect of what we wish to acheive as often as
> possible. It is not a free-floating abstraction divorced from
> all reality. However, working to maximize peace consciously can
> lead to finding non-violent solutions more often than simply
> assuming violence is the best answer as many seem too easily to
> do.
>
> Can we please stop the senseless smear campaigns against entire
> groups that run rampant on this list?
Is that only groups you sympathize with, or all groups? You yourself
are guilty of smearing a number of groups on this list, especially
whites, men, scientists, Libertarians, gun owners, Americans,
capitalists, Republicans, Objectivists and other Ayn Rand fans, among others....
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