From: John K Clark (jonkc@att.net)
Date: Sat Nov 16 2002 - 23:05:44 MST
"Alexander Sheppard" <alexandersheppard@hotmail.com>
> if you want to leave and go to a capitalist country,
> nobody is going to stop you
I am in a capitalist country, but you want to change that.
> my guess is that you mean militarily powerful--but what sort? Aggressive
> power? Defensive power? "Power" can mean all sorts of things.
By powerful people I mean the people who make the most important decisions.
I am sure you will say that in your utopian socialism that power belongs
with "THE PEOPLE", and that of course means precisely nothing.
>At present, the anarchist movement in this country is very small,
>although it is bigger than it has been for a long time.
Good, I'm a anarchist, I don't like the state.
>It would only be legitimate to take food from someone who has an
>excess of food if you had less food than you needed.
Don't give me that "I'm stealing to feed my starving family" bit, nobody is
starving in first world capitalist countries except some rich spoiled white
girls with Anorexia Nervosa from reading too many fashion magazines.
>they'd work because they wanted to work, because they saw some
>purpose in working--not because they were afraid of the threat of
>enforced starvation or homelessness by the state. I mean,
> if you don't see any purpose in working on something, then in
>my view you ought not be forced to work on it, whether by the
> threat of a bullet to the brain or enforced starvation
I think that would be absolutely wonderful but unfortunately that's not how
the world works. I don't like the state but that's one thing I can't blame
it about. If there is a villain in the situation I guess it would be the
second law of thermodynamics.
>as far as I can tell, there are no "powers that be" in a libertarian
>socialist society.
There will always be important people and unimportant people in any society,
some people will make decisions and some will not.
>if you are powerful enough inside a proprietarian
>society, you can kill anyone you like
Well sure, but a PPA will not be powerful unless they have money and they
won't have money unless they have customers and they won't have customers if
everybody hates them
>>Me:
>> If I am a better architect than you and a harder worker than you
>> then I'll have a better house than you. If you have a larger
>>family than me are you going to take my house from me?
>Well, mabye, with leanings toward yes,
And the result of this policy would be lots of bad architects, lazy workers,
and ugly poorly made houses in short supply. Not surprisingly that is
exactly what happened in Russia. The people in the workers paradise lived in
tiny leaky hideous shit holes, but at least they were all equally miserable.
John K Clark jonkc@att.net
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