From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Wed Nov 13 2002 - 12:46:25 MST
Eugene writes
> You assume you're making progress. I don't think you do. Lack of responses
> is not equivalent to agreement.
I never implied that, and of course don't believe that.
I'll repeat: several people said that they are at level
seven in the identity discussion, and that's more than
I've ever seen before.
> > Whenever you are taken from your cell and exhibited
> > in this way, would you try to resolve to press only
> > button "10"?
>
> You seem to assume that "55" is a viable choice for most people here.
> Usually it's not the memory of the torture that is painful.
Have you really placed yourself in the position of the poor
prisoner? Didn't you accept my explanation for why (in
desperation) someone would try to bring down on himself
the "55" seconds of torture? Don't you understand that
so far as his memories are concerned---and they, not
logic, drive us hardest---he would be *rewarded* by not
(illusorily) having endured the pain? See Eliezer's post,
for example, for someone who might not even plan on ever
pushing "10". Only an abstract logic of what is best for
one drives one to keep pushing "55" despite the memory
of the consequence.
Lee
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