From: Avatar Polymorph (avatarpolymorph@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 06 2002 - 01:58:55 MDT
Hu(bert )Mania writes:
"I guess, we should start to honestly
think about jobs like
these so people won`t be scared of a billion years of living."
Still, if every woman (in the case of a hetero male) in the world becomes
drop-dead gorgeous (let's say your tastes are broad) and you have a fling
with one per year that get's you through a bit. If you go out for ten years
a woman that's even more!
Eliezer writes:
"Again, you are giving an example of a situation where the entire project,
no matter how huge, happens to have a holistic structure consisting of
human-sized concepts broken down into a humanly comprehensible number of
humanly comprehensible concepts, and so on, turtles all the way down. Yes,
this *specific* type of inordinately huge simulation is comprehensible to a
human with infinite swap space. But this seems to me to characterize an
infinitesimal proportion of the space of possibilities."
All of these discussions are difficult for me to follow. Doesn't problem
solving depend on problem depth? The problem depth for us is simple, (1)
universal extropy and cosmological continuation and (2) individual life
extension and bodily control. Also, I don't know why there is such continued
discussion about human abilities. Totally indidvidually, we might take 100
billion years to solve some problems (if we lived that long). But we haven't
evolved individually. Very shortly we'll have human boosting to an extent,
and this will precede the FASI, so now what you are talking about is the
maximum computing power a human-appearing (roughly) person of human origin
with add-ons and add-ins can have. That's probably of the order of billions
more in theory but this is only likely to be implemented after the FASI
which is fairly soon, so it's applicable. Anyhow, I'd argue some problems
are easy. For example, monitoring every organism in the biosphere without
blanket molecular nanosupercomputers may be a hard problem (if you want to
solve it) but monitoring the average daily temperature variation of the
Earth may be an easy problem. Or monitoring the total estimated biomass of
the 3 big sectors (land/sea/underground) may be easy too. Etc. Finally I'd
also argue that some problem-solving is impossible if you're ethical, and
nor would you want to solve it if you're ethical. For example, I would never
want to "solve" the "problem" of how to torture my "enemies" or "evil"
people for all eternity against their will.
Avatar Polymorph
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