From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Mon Sep 16 2002 - 23:42:34 MDT
Spudboy100@aol.com wrote:
> Pat Fallon opined:
> Or liberatarianism, as now constituted is just a figleaf for isolationism.
> <<Libertarians have for years warned that our interventionist foreign policy
> breeds enemies world wide. In the past, with 2 wide oceans and friendly
> neighbors north and south, we Americans could go about our lives in blissful
> ignorance, while, for example, our CIA overthrew the popularly supported
> Prime Minister of Iran and helped install and prop up a dictatorial shah for
> over 25 years. But eventually that caught up with us. Iranians overthrew the
> shah, sacked our embassy, and took US hostages. Anyone seeking to understand
> that terrorist incident and avoid future ones would be missing quite a lot
> if he didn't consider our intervention in their domestic affairs.>>
>
> This means you buy in to the figure stated by L. Stahl, whose is and
> whose _sources_ are leftist-statist liberals. You believe such sources
> to be accurate in this matter?
>
Give me a break! The argument is simple enough for a 10 year
old to understand. It doesn't take party vetted sources to make
the general arugment. And it is quite well known that we
manipulated the hell out of the Iranian government structure at
least thrice. Just what is it that you find unbelievable about
this?
> <<Terrorism: the initiation of force against innocent civilians to achieve
> political goals.
> Terrorism is the price of empire.>>
>
> There is an empire you haven't mentioned. The Empire of Jihaddi Islamic
> Imperialism. There goal seems to be bringing the Earth under their form
> of Sharia (Islamic Law). That is an empire, or an imperialist movement
> that needs to be viewed with alarm. Their version of Islam has Dar Salam
> only happening when the earth is ruled by Sharia.
>
Look the the empire you are sitting inside of that is currently
threatening unilateral action against any sovereign state it
feels like changing before you miss the point, again. There is
no consistent, militarily effective, Moslem superpower breathing
down the world's neck. There is only US. Think hard about
that. You also might think about the region's only nuclear
armed power that also broadly ignores the UN and is quite
warlike, namely Israel.
> Turning inward via a isolationist foreign policy would certainly empower
> the Jihaddis abroad. China, Russia, and North Korea shan't cease from
> selling ICBM technology (arachaic tho' it may be) to our Jihaddi friends.
> Give the buyers and sellers of nuclear profliferation, a few years with
> the election of a droolingly isolationist USA and we'll see what happends.
> And Atlas Shrugged won't make a decent radiation barrier from their
> assualts. Perhaps the rascals can be given a stout debate to disincline
> from their global goal? Yah buddy.
Isolation vs. what we are doing now are not the only two
alternatives. Working with people and countries all over the
globe instead of unilaterally pushing the pieces around and
finding excuses for "regime change" if they resist would be a
good starting point.
- samantha
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