From: CurtAdams@aol.com
Date: Tue Sep 10 2002 - 09:07:38 MDT
In a message dated 9/9/02 20:43:39, spike66@attbi.com writes:
>CurtAdams@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Universal surveillance *doesn't* help the innocent. It helps those
>>who do things those with guns like.
>>
>OK, so make sure the innocent all have guns.
I'm using guns metaphorically. No rifle collection would
make me even a speedbump to the US military.
>> It would be grossly detrimental to all who "commit"
>>victimless crimes.
>>
>Not at all. If a crime is victimless, there would be no one
>motivated to pursue the perp.
Doesn't seem to be stopping Ashcroft from throwing pot
smokers in jail. Or people who are supposedly connnected
in some vague way to terrorism - no evidence, just trust
him. Or, not too long ago, Georgia from imprisoning a guy
for having anal sex with his own consenting wife.
>> As a gay man, I am *reaaally* glad they
>>didn't have universal surveillance in the 60's...
>
>60s? Curt I had you pictured as a 20 something.
Don't I wish! 37. but..
Not for me. If universal surveillance had been
around then how could a gay movement ever have
gotten started? No bars, no social groups, not
even surreptitious encounters in the bushes.
>Not at all. We would long since have dropped absurd
>laws against homosexuality. I still cant figure that one
>out, how it got to be illegal in the first place, and secondly
>why it still is illegal in some places.
Because a lot of people don't like it for a lot of reasons.
Universal surveillance would be great in a libertarian
society where person A doesn't try to force person B
to live their way just because they want to. Our current
society is full of such people. Plus there is the concentration
of force hazard - without secret activity resistance against
a despotism would be virtually impossible.
>Contraire, it would drive those trends. A good part of
>the reason we even have drug laws is that dopers tend
>to commit a lot of property crimes. {Right?}
On this list we all know property crimes would be much
lower if illegal drugs were legal. That's just an excuse.
IMO it's mostly puritanism. Why on earth would they make
poppers illegal?
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