From: Sally Pitts (sally2887@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Sep 09 2002 - 13:02:51 MDT
>From: spike66 <spike66@attbi.com>
>Reply-To: extropians@extropy.org
>To: extropians@extropy.org
>Subject: Re: surveillance helps the innocent.
>Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:33:39 -0700
>
>>
>>
>>Spike66 wrote:
>>
>>>If we develop the tech to bag any crime that can be
>>>recognized from an external view, such as robbery,
>>>murder, mugging, rape, etc, then poor neighborhoods
>>>could be cleansed of these plagues. If they were, the
>>>rents would skyrocket, displacing the poor...
>>>
>>
>>gts wrote: While I do not in principle endorse increased gov't
>>surveillance...
>>
>Roger that. The government could not afford what I have in mind
>anyway, which is all privately-owned surveillance infrastructure.
>
>>Should it come to pass: wealthy localities will be the first to
>>implement such hi-tech surveillance because they are most able to afford
>>it.
>>
>It has already come to pass. Palo Alto is wealthy, it has a great deal
>of privately owned surveillance equipment in place. But there is seldom
>anything to watch there, they have so many cops per square inch the
>perps go elsewhere.
>
>>This will increase the gap in rents between wealthy neighborhoods
>>and poor neighborhoods in favor of wealthy neighborhoods.
>>
>Right but remember, in Palo Alto almost no one rents. That place is
>for owners. In nearby East Palo Alto, nearly everyone rents.
>
>>The poor
>>will be able to pay those new higher rents because they will, like the
>>rich, have higher real incomes then as a result of the reduction in
>>crime. -gts
>>
>OK, I follow your argument and I want to agree. Looks to me
>like the currently-available webcams are a good investment in both
>good and bad neighborhoods, so privacy schmivacy, we should be
>putting this in place. Everywhere. I haven't yet. I want to plug into
>a network of some sort, so that my cam could be used by anyone
>who wants to track the location of anyone who should pass by. spike
>
I am totally for webcam surveillance (and am looking into doing something
for my condo complex). IMO the ultimate bedrock for near-100% surveillance
of our urban areas is that it promotes stability, and stability attracts
capital. It was indeed the strong federal govt and teh stability it gave
that attracted a lot of capital to the USA in the last 100 years.
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