From: Colin Hales (colin@versalog.com.au)
Date: Thu Jun 20 2002 - 18:34:27 MDT
Rafal wrote:
>> Hal Finney
>> These kinds of models suggest that causality can exist in a timeless
>> sense. So perhaps it is not so impossible to imagine consciousness
>> existing in the same way.
> ### Yes. Julian Barbour in his "The End of Time" advances exactly this
> kind of worldview.
> Rafal
I'm interested in how you think causality can exist in a timeless sense.
It seems contradictory.
I just can't envisage it. Doesn't causality _create_ time?
Absence of the flow of time surely means everything
happening simultaneously or nothing happening at all
(the two ends of a time axis meet and the axis contracts to zero length).
In this case, what is the place of an observer with a 'consciousness'?
The state of Nothing (in my mind anyway) has no physical/temporal dimensions
of any sort. No observers. No matter, No space. No 'worldview' is
meaningful.
This is where 'timelessness' could be said to exist.
No matter what representation you choose, the measure
of it is numerically Zero - and a scalar zero at that (there is no spacetime
so a vector of zeros is still an indication of a structure).
Colin
*some zen illumination pls*
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