From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Sat Jun 08 2002 - 19:10:31 MDT
Hi Harvey,
Thanks for the last email. It didn't seem that you had
any questions left, but there had been so many previously
that this seems hard to credit.
Here is an on-line message you posted today. Are the
questions you asked in it answered yet? (Or mostly
answered?)
I have some questions for you on other issues! But perhaps
it should await another day.
Lee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-extropians@extropy.org
> [mailto:owner-extropians@extropy.org]On Behalf Of Harvey Newstrom
> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: extropians@extropy.org
> Subject: Re: Criticizing the Extropian Principles
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 7, 2002, at 03:51 pm, Lee Corbin wrote:
>
> > Yes, let's please criticize the Extropian Principles!
>
> > I cannot find a single phrase---even a single word that bothers me.
> > Please, can't you? Isn't there some little tiny thing that rubs you
> > the wrong way? Well, let's hear about it!
>
> Why criticize the Extropian Principles once again? What are you trying
> to accomplish, Lee? I can't figure you out. You keep introducing and
> perpetuating threads that seem to question the validity of the Extropian
> Principles, the value of this List, and the validity of Extropy
> Institute itself. Yet, whenever you are called on it, you claim that it
> was a "thought experiment" or just random musings, and don't represent
> your own personal viewpoints at all. I can only imagine that you aren't
> accomplishing what you want, because you keep repeating the same topics
> over and over, ad nauseam.
>
> - About Rational Discussions on Extropians
> - Criticizing the Extropian Principles
> - Extropian Consciousness
> - Censorship
> - Relativism of values, ideas, rights, memes
> - The Turning Point
> - Use of the Extropian Principles
> - On Logic (was Use of the Extropian Principles)
> - The Extropian Principles
> - The Alleged Extropian Monopoly on Rational Inquiry
> - Freedom and Infanticide
> - Basic Logic
> - Arbitrariness of Ethics
> - Infanticide and Extropy
>
> I am tired of seeing the same discussions over and over. Perhaps if you
> made it clear what your purpose was, we could help steer the discussion
> toward an answer. Why do you keep testing theoretical scenarios on us
> to see how the list would react? Why do you keep questioning the
> validity or strength of Extropian philosophy, institutions and social
> groups? Are you promoting a position or trying to gather information?
> If information, why do you keep asking the same sorts of questions over
> and over? Are the answers unacceptable? Are you hoping the answers
> will change, or do you not understand the answers?
>
> The "censorship" thread was a waste of time. Everybody argued against
> you that there was no censorship by ExI, and in the end you claimed that
> you never believed there was censorship either. Such a "thought
> experiment" that doesn't promote a position or seek an answer seems to
> serve no purpose. Similarly, I am skeptical of your desire to
> "criticize the Extropian Principles" if you can find nothing there you
> wish to criticize. You seem to be deliberately posing a premise you
> don't hold, or asking a question you don't care about, or starting a
> discussion of which you deny involvement.
>
> Seriously, I have no intention of going through another flame-war with
> you. Unless I can figure out what you want or what you are trying to
> do, I am not able to response. Please be clear as to your purpose,
> instead of asking us all to go through these pointless exercises that
> always seem to lead nowhere.
>
> --
> Harvey Newstrom, CISSP <www.HarveyNewstrom.com>
> Principal Security Consultant <www.Newstaff.com>
>
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