From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Sat Jun 08 2002 - 11:37:22 MDT
On Friday, June 7, 2002, at 03:51 pm, Lee Corbin wrote:
> Yes, let's please criticize the Extropian Principles!
> I cannot find a single phrase---even a single word that bothers me.
> Please, can't you? Isn't there some little tiny thing that rubs you
> the wrong way? Well, let's hear about it!
Why criticize the Extropian Principles once again? What are you trying
to accomplish, Lee? I can't figure you out. You keep introducing and
perpetuating threads that seem to question the validity of the Extropian
Principles, the value of this List, and the validity of Extropy
Institute itself. Yet, whenever you are called on it, you claim that it
was a "thought experiment" or just random musings, and don't represent
your own personal viewpoints at all. I can only imagine that you aren't
accomplishing what you want, because you keep repeating the same topics
over and over, ad nauseam.
- About Rational Discussions on Extropians
- Criticizing the Extropian Principles
- Extropian Consciousness
- Censorship
- Relativism of values, ideas, rights, memes
- The Turning Point
- Use of the Extropian Principles
- On Logic (was Use of the Extropian Principles)
- The Extropian Principles
- The Alleged Extropian Monopoly on Rational Inquiry
- Freedom and Infanticide
- Basic Logic
- Arbitrariness of Ethics
- Infanticide and Extropy
I am tired of seeing the same discussions over and over. Perhaps if you
made it clear what your purpose was, we could help steer the discussion
toward an answer. Why do you keep testing theoretical scenarios on us
to see how the list would react? Why do you keep questioning the
validity or strength of Extropian philosophy, institutions and social
groups? Are you promoting a position or trying to gather information?
If information, why do you keep asking the same sorts of questions over
and over? Are the answers unacceptable? Are you hoping the answers
will change, or do you not understand the answers?
The "censorship" thread was a waste of time. Everybody argued against
you that there was no censorship by ExI, and in the end you claimed that
you never believed there was censorship either. Such a "thought
experiment" that doesn't promote a position or seek an answer seems to
serve no purpose. Similarly, I am skeptical of your desire to
"criticize the Extropian Principles" if you can find nothing there you
wish to criticize. You seem to be deliberately posing a premise you
don't hold, or asking a question you don't care about, or starting a
discussion of which you deny involvement.
Seriously, I have no intention of going through another flame-war with
you. Unless I can figure out what you want or what you are trying to
do, I am not able to response. Please be clear as to your purpose,
instead of asking us all to go through these pointless exercises that
always seem to lead nowhere.
-- Harvey Newstrom, CISSP <www.HarveyNewstrom.com> Principal Security Consultant <www.Newstaff.com>
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