From: Alex Ramonsky (alex@ramonsky.com)
Date: Thu May 02 2002 - 10:00:13 MDT
-------Original Message-------
From: extropians@extropy.org
Date: 02 May 2002 15:11:27
To: extropians@extropy.org
Subject: Re: CTHD and labels
Alex Ramonsky wrote:
> > If anybody is doing anything 'on behalf' of a group, IMHO, several
things
> should happen...First, the entire group should be told about the proposed
> action and discuss it long before it is taken. Democratically if anyone in
> the group doesn't like what's being suggested, they can leave, or a vote
can
> be taken on whether such action should go ahead.
Any voting should be taking place on the CTHD list at yahoogroups, not
on the extropians list. This isn't an ExI event or action, nor is it
Pro-Act.
And is such voting taking place?
[snip]
Any vote that may take place assumes that members of the group have a
right to force others to not act. I prefer that it be a voluntary
compliance thing: Projects get launched, and members can participate or
not as they see fit. The Projects are intended to be structured so that
they are distributed: one to three person groups in different locations
can take the ball and run with it to whatever extent they see fit.
Totally fair enough for me.
> Thirdly, if the proposed actions of a group affect another group (as is
the
> case here) a plan of strategy as to how those groups relate to each other
in
> public (in the press) should be clear before any action is taken. Has this
> happened?
How does it affect another group?
ExI are obviously implicated? (I say, correct me if I'm wrong?)
[snip] Only if you intend to engage in labelling activities would I
recommend
using PGP. I personally would not want anyone to admit that they are
actually doing labelling. It is more effective if the activists are
mysterious. Increases FUD in the luddite community.
Nothing remains mysterious without encryption. Don't tell me you believe
nobody outside the group knows this is going to happen, and haven't already
planned their response!!!
the luddites have already established in the public's mind that "GM
is bad, don't buy it". Our campaign produces a backfire onto the
Luddite's own sources of revinue and support. If this triggers a public
debate about what is and is not GM, it will expose the hypocrisy and
thus damage the credibility of the luddite cause and agenda.
I think you are correct in judging current opinion.
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