From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Sat Apr 27 2002 - 00:44:15 MDT
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
> Massively invasive systems, yes. However, I don't see invasive systems
> hitting the street in 20 years. For the same reasons they don't implant
> microelectrode arrays in people today: cost, risk, inconvenience, lousy
> performance. This will only change with the advent of medical
> nanotechnology of the machine-phase variety, which looks arbitrarily far
> removed from the current point of view.
The things we do implant in people today to help with various
medical problems and their growing sophistication does not lead
me to believe that we will not see more invasive system in the
next 20 years even without nanotech.
>
>
>>keyboard is one thing, although it does happen nowadays; it is far
>>easier to visualize a fifth-grader beating an experienced adult with a
>>wearable-computing interface that has advanced to and beyond the level
>>of a Segway Ginger.
>>
>
> Augmented reality allows you to do some stuff humans simply can't do
> (enhancement of sensorics, mapping of new modi into existing senorics,
> total documentation track, remembrance agent, telepresence, canned
> knowledge cuing behaviour), including increased performance in specific
> tasks (like, say, industrial and military automation control), but it
> doesn't actually make you smarter in the degree as envisioned by Vinge.
> You wouldn't actually do much better on a standard IQ test (unless you're
> cheating using your remembrance agent).
Using your various extended components would not be viewed as
cheating in such a world, would it? If I am connected to the
world wide-web and have considerable computing power including
various tools available then I could score arbitrarily higher on
any IQ test out there today. (for what it's worth) What is the
difference in that for our future selves and using what
knowledge and techniques we have managed to retain in our poor
craniums today on such a test? The test should test your
Intelligence Quotient with those means at your disposal that are
always with you. For a cyborg using such is not "cheating".
>
> To be fair to Vinge, his headbands are not huds, and they're invasive (in
> functionality, the depiction is innocuous (no skin portals, no massive
> implants)).
>
I don't think invasiveness by anything beyond EM is strictly
necessary to fairly major enhancement. More major enhancement
requires going inside.
- samantha
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