From: Eugen Leitl (eugen@leitl.org)
Date: Mon Apr 22 2002 - 00:44:47 MDT
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, David McFadzean wrote:
> The "idiotic gateway" is still under development. I've fixed the bug
> so now quotes will not be escaped when messages are sent out to the
> list.
David, how would I know it was still under development? Hermit was selling
his markup as the best thing since sliced bread, so I went and picked
apart what I saw.
> I'm extremely disappointed that Eugen has chosen the Extropian mailing
> list to insult and belittle another online community and their chosen
> style of communication. Especially a community that shares many goals,
This is a complete misinterpretation of what has happened. I was curious
about the CoV (after all, it's the second largest community on
<http://forum.javien.com/index.php> ), subscribed, and hung around. I then
observed what is imo a bizarre form of markup, and commented on it.
http://forum.javien.com/XMLmessage.php?id=id::YnBVIH8k-B0Rn-DGcd-U3s5-dxs7I15GTAVT
Here's what Hermit replied
http://forum.javien.com/XMLmessage.php?id=id::PVVCLAUH-dk8_-d006-bToc-NiI5VgAsaTt5
here's my reply to that, which is still pretty civil
http://forum.javien.com/XMLmessage.php?id=id::bV8STx8d-Cn8@-X0V9-UxQk-A1dkGVE8c1JG
What Hermit wrote back in his second reply (and which is perfectly ad
hominem, a behaviour which he strangely enough accuses me of using first)
made me realize he's hopeless
http://forum.javien.com/XMLmessage.php?id=id::_9@J00nq-1wXO-nmtP-3bZn-8a@aTEZ2oNKY
(irrational in his evaluation of his own brainchild -- which was validated
by his subsequent responses to this list) and left the virus list. I don't
have the time to argue about broken markup using broken markup against a
person incapable of evaluating his markup rationally.
I then asked for comments on the Hermitish markup on this list here,
because I was interested whether users pick up and use what I perceive as
brokenness. Needless to say, this is a genuine question. I don't
understand why people interprete a comment on communication form as a
personal attack, or attack on a movement. (I still don't know what CoV is
all about, mostly because markup and arguments about markup were in the
way).
> values and members, not to mention webserver and disk space, with the
> Extropians. If anyone else shares my disappointment please speak up.
David, I perceive that you also consider my remarks to be directed
personally at you. This was at all not intended. Perhaps my mode of
communication is intrinsically inflammatory, which is certainly not my
intention. You're doing great work, keeping the ExI inftrastructure
afloat, which is not mentioned nearly enough.
Ran out of time now, but this should do.
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