From: ABlainey@aol.com
Date: Thu Mar 14 2002 - 12:51:08 MST
Many thanks for your insight John. Much appreciated. This whole affair
has prompted me to take a serious look at the 'Human rights' aspect of
cryonics. Once I have gathered my thoughts on the subject and accumilated the
relevant legal details. I will post my ideas regarding the issue. I hope that
this will prompt some serious discussion.
I hope that the situation in France comes to a favourable end. I'm
sure that with people like Jacques working the issue, reason will prevail
over red tape. I certainly hope so. Again, I wish I could do more.
Alex
In a message dated 14/03/02 05:04:35 GMT Standard Time, starman2100@lycos.com
writes:
> Alex wrote:
> I feel that this situation has presented the advocates of cryonics with a
> very rare and valuable opportunity. It is a chance to unite and show the
> popular press and general public that we are a coherent group of like
> minded individuals with a dream for the future. That we are seriously
> looking at the practical application of a technology that could one day
> hold the key to bringing people back for a second chance in a brave new
> world.
> (end)
>
> It does look like a groundswell of support has quickly developed to try to
> stop what the French officials are wanting to do. I just tend to think
> these bureaucratic goons will rush this thing through so fast we will not
> be able to stop it in time!
>
> you continue:
> Am I dreaming or just babbling Sci-Fi ? If I am, then what the hell are we
> doing on this list? Just giving pipe dreams plotlines to novelists?
> (end)
>
> Many of us are here simply to enjoy the social and intellectual aspects of
> the list. But the potential to actually get things accomplished here is
> great(potentially!).
>
> You would have to ask Damien about getting inspiration from here! He would
> probably produce twice as much writing if not for his reading of the list!
> lol!
>
> you wrote:
> We have a chance to show that Cryonics IS a viable solution, and those who
> choose the option to try, should be respected and their rights upheld. This
> is the real crux of the problem right here. Rights?. As a corpse you have
> none.
> (end)
>
> "Our man in Havana" Jacques Du Pasquier is doing all he can! It's hard for
> noncitizens of France to decisively get involved in this.
>
> you continue:
> This is something I have posted about previously and was somewhat dismayed
> in the lack of discussion and response to my questions. Again I am dismayed
> at the lack of response to the tragedy unfolding in France.
> Surely we are not all just looking after our own backs?
> (end)
>
> I think if this were in the U.S. or the U.K.(home to cryonics orgs) we
> would see the kind of reaction you want. France is in the "frontier" as
> far as cryonics goes.
>
> I agree with you that there needs to be more action here. But at least we
> have Jacques Du Pasquier TRYING VERY HARD to help this frozen couple. He
> just does not have much time here to make the connections and affect change.
>
> I admit that so far the reaction on the Cryonet list has not been the way I
> had expected. I wrote several prominent cryonicists who felt the matter
> could only be dealt with by having French cryonicists move forward on the
> issue.
>
> Luckily, just as we have(to my knowledge!) one Frenchman on the extrolist,
> we also have one on Cryonet. I hope they can successfully network to get
> something done.
>
> you wrote:
> Ask yourself one question. When you are locked into a stainless steel vat,
> immersed in liquid nitrogen. Who will be looking out for your rights?
> Fellow Extropians? If the responses so far are anything to go by, I think
> you will be mainly on your own.
> (end)
>
> Unless your fellow extropians are officers of Alcor, CI or some other
> cryonics organization, it's not their mission to be looking out for your
> rights!
>
> I know enough about at Alcor and the Cryonics Institute to say you will be
> standfastly watched over with either group!
>
> And if the rights of people with either org were seriously threatened, I
> honestly believe Max, Greg, Shaun, Harvey and Natasha would rally the
> troops to counterattack.
>
> I wish the French doctor who is now frozen along with his wife had decided
> to not go it alone! He should have done his research and decided to do
> this with the aid of U.K. Alcor. Cryonics organizations are not so
> generous with those who did not make the proper arrangements beforehand.
>
> you wrote:
> I wish I had the financial resources to help. If I did, I'd be straight
> down to Alcor, signing them
> up. Surely there Is there a Cryonics Sympathiser/ Patron who can see the
> great PR value of this situation? Someone that would be willing to shoulder
> the cost should it come to shipping these folks to a cryonics friendly
> country.
> (end)
>
> I'm not even sure if the French government would allow that! But at this
> point it seems no wealthy patron will be coming forward anyway. And I did
> try enlisting one! lol Oh, well.
>
> Alex, you have a good heart.
>
> best wishes,
>
> John
>
>
>
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