From: Eugene Leitl (Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de)
Date: Sat Mar 09 2002 - 07:42:19 MST
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Samantha Atkins wrote:
> Dunno. Ask me when we get anywhere close to the supposed limits . The
We're traversing a sequence of kinetic bottlenecks in our development.
Right now they're technologically artefacted, but passing through each of
them brings us closer and closer to the hard limits of physical reality.
Given what we know, absolute hard limits are given by amount of energy and
matter in the local solar system (anything else doesn't matter, as the
creation rate in a given volume soon outstrips transport rate through a
crossection, i.e. sufficiently large volumes are effectively isolated).
Before we reach them, we will have a period whether bit beings can
multiply faster than matter can be restructured into habitats (ms vs. hour
and day range). Depending on the level of technology, it can take hundreds
to thousands years to bring our local system to the hard limit.
> "rat race" only makes sense if there is no way to better the
> fundamentals of your condition beyond that of rats or of much more
Last time I looked no one has found a way to strip Darwin in context of
self replication.
> in-your-face scarcity. It pays not to mistake current context for laws
> of reality.
Please show me a mechanism by which you're supposed to get out of
darwinian evolution sustainably. Proposing Eden without a mechanism how to
get there and to stay there is not scientific.
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