From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Fri Mar 08 2002 - 13:13:15 MST
Richard Steven Hack wrote,
> "People with HIV get AIDS" - 15% do not.
I'm afraid this sad statistic is not provable at this time. All we can say
is that some number have lived a long time with HIV without succumbing to
the disease *yet*. Unfortunately, this does not disprove a cause and
effect, as it could merely be a happy delay before the onset of disease
symptoms.
> "People without AIDS symptoms don't have HIV"
Where are these "quotes" coming from that you are refuting? Nobody here has
claimed this, nor does anybody who believes in the HIV cause of AIDS. HIV
is known to take years to show symptoms. This is a straw-man argument
disproving points that nobody has made.
> >One "fact" that confuses these people is that people can live so
> long with
> >HIV before getting AIDS. This does not mean they aren't affected.
>
> The point is statistical - apparently 15% of HIV infected persons NEVER
> get AIDS. (Or at least "never" being much longer than the
> statistical five
> year mortality.
I see. "Never gets AIDS" actually means "last five years". That is not the
same thing. Arguing that people can live longer than five years with HIV
does not prove that HIV therefore does not cause AIDS. This argument is
just plain faulty.
If we count "five years" as "never", then we can say HIV doesn't cause AIDS
in 15% of the cases. We can also say that cigarettes don't cause cancer,
and adolescents don't grow into adults.
> I knew a fellow with AIDS in the joint
> did some reading on it
> plus I've read articles on it in Spin Magazine
> There is a book out by the fellow who does medical reporting for the ABC
News web site.
> He does not sound like a conspiracy theorist (I've heard him on Art Bell).
I have no doubt that you can find support for this conspiracy in jail, in
Spin Magazine, on a news website or from a guest on Art Bell. Don't you
have any medical, biological, or scientific sources of information?
> As far as conspiracy theory goes, the whole situation sounds like
> a replay of Krebiozen decades ago. I read a book on that and it sure
sounded like
> the stuff worked to reduce cancer deaths.
Yes, the AIDS cure has been suppressed just like the cancer cures.
> I tend to be cynical about people who are receiving billions in research
> dollars being really willing to turn that spigot off with a really
> effective treatment.
I dearly wish there were billions of dollars going into AIDS research....
> But, I'm not a molecular biologist or doctor either, so I'll drop
> this topic.
So will I, now that I see what the "evidence" is.
-- Harvey Newstrom, CISSP <www.HarveyNewstrom.com> Principal Security Consultant <www.Newstaff.com>
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