From: Arona Ndiaye (andiaye@chello.nl)
Date: Thu Feb 14 2002 - 11:00:27 MST
1. I **still** do not know what negative experience you had. Remember *** I
am not attacking you but really wish to know**
Mentioning that through you work, you came to be in contact with users
or/and addicts or that one of your business partner was a cocaine user, does
not give me any info whatsoever on what negative experience might have come
out of it.
2. I am asking you to incriminate yourself ? I was not aware of it. I happen
to be someone that feely discuss just about anything with just about anyone.
Just because I am asking you something which you wouldn't want to be known,
does not imply that I am 'asking you to incriminate yourself'. Why are you
feeling attacked ? Why leave it at that ?
I really read all your previous posts in this thread and I still do not know
what exact experiences gave you the knowledge which you seem to have. I want
concrete stuff, examples, something that can widen my map. Something I can
grind on. Is that wrong ?
Arona,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey@datamann.com>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bye-Bye to the >H Right Wing
> Arona Ndiaye wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I ask to Mike Lorrey:
> >
> > What negative experience have you had with drugs ? (directly or
indirectly)
> > Have you ever used any ?
>
> I have used alcohol on an irregular basis since I was a teenager, and
> caffeine as well. I don't smoke tobacco, and as for the rest, you are
> asking me to incriminate myself.
>
> >
> > If the answer to the first question is anything but "none", please
share. We
> > are here to discuss, not to destroy other's arguments.
> > If the answer to the second question is 'no', it would be wise for you
to
> > 'chill' when discussing that topic. You're not knowledgeable enough on
the
> > topic at hand.
>
> I am quite knowledgable and experienced, and I will leave it at that.
>
> > And just reading books and papers don't mean shit in this case. You
cannot
> > 'attack' users without having been one and you cannot attack them AFTER
> > having been one yourself. If you just have a pretty 'tough' stance but
do
> > not explain why, people might label you as a 'troll', just like it's
done
> > on Slashdot on in newsgroups/mailing lists etc... I'm sure you actually
want
> > to discuss things, don't you ?
> > In that case, you still need to start...
>
> This is the typical first attack of opponents to my arguments, the "you
> must have never used drugs if you think this way" routine. If you had
> actually read my previous posts, you would not be even making such
> ludicrous statements. In which case, I can say that your statements are
> worthless until you actually DO read what I've already said.
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