From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@datamann.com)
Date: Fri Dec 21 2001 - 09:22:10 MST
Kai Becker wrote:
>
> Am Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2001 16:30 schrieb Mike Lorrey:
> > They made our country a
> > combat zone by their attack on civilian targets with hijacked airliners,
> > since airliners could be used to attack ANY target here in the US.
>
> Now, who exactly is "they"? Don't we first have to find out, before we can
> actually speak about "members of their group"?
Well, we know who "They" is, as a group. We need to determine who they,
as individuals are, who have infiltrated us and are still around. You
can't do it by ESP. Detaining and questioning suspects is the only way.
You apparently know nothing about police work.
>
> What about this Oklahoma lunatic, for example. Who was "they" in that case?
> Every white person? Every white christian person? Every person of his home
> town or state?
Did we detain every muslim or arab in the US? No, we did not, we
detained less than a tenth of a percent, so stop making stupid
statements like that.
>
> Let's say tomorrow they put you in a detention camp. Maybe you wear the
> wrong beard or they got the wrong address, whatever. Would it be okay for
> you, to be deprived of every chance to inform your family, speak to a
> lawyer, tell your boss, try to clear the misunderstanding?
You are again hyperbolizing. In ANY legal setting, someone who is
considered a material witness has no need of a lawyer, and if they do
have testimony against suspects, it is in their own interest to be
sequestered to protect them from being tampered with. As for suspects,
they only have a right to speak to a lawyer once they have been arrested
and charged.
Now, the fact is that over 5,000 people have been brought in for
questioning over the last 4 months, and of those, over 100 have been
charged with criminal acts, and a few hundred are being legally detained
as material witnesses against being tampered with by insurgents
remaining at large.
If your family is aware that you've been detained, then it logically
follows that they have been sufficiently informed. If you are a suspect,
and there is evidence against you, and it is believed that your
compatriots are still at large, then it is a reasonable assumption on
the part of law enforcement that they may try to break you out of jail,
so keeping your location secret is not out of line.
Finally: We are at war, and they are not citizens or non-combatants we
are dealing with.
>
> BTW, the Geneva convention was made for "regular" wars, where the parties
> can be clearly identified. I haven't seen detention camps for suspected
> Mafia members yet.
Combatting the Mafia is not a War, it is a matter of civil crime. The
Geneva Conventions do not cover civil conflicts within a country, but
they do cover conflicts between countries.
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