Re: This War Is Not About Terror, But About Islam (Article)
From: Joe Dees (joedees@addall.com)
Date: Tue Oct 09 2001 - 02:26:28 MDT
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>Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:00:07 -0700 (PDT)
> "Robert J. Bradbury" <bradbury@aeiveos.com> Extropy List <extropians@extropy.com> Re: This War Is Not About Terror, But About Islam (Article)Reply-To: extropians@extropy.org
>
>
>Joe,
>
>While I normally grant almost all posters to the extropian list
>a huge grain of salt, I must state that IMO the article by David
>Selbourne was entirely useless.
>
>It was nothing more than a rundown of a position based on opinions
>unsubstantiated by facts.
>
>Islam, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddism, etc. are faiths based
>on the "blind" belief of one reality over another. Since they
>are cannot be subjected to scientific debate, they are useless
>from an extropian perspective.
>
>From the Extropian Principles Section 7:
>
>> Extropians affirm reason, critical inquiry, intellectual independence,
>> and honesty. We reject blind faith and the passive, comfortable
>> thinking that leads to dogma, conformity, and stagnation.
>
>While you might make a small case that it was useful based on
>the expression of an opposing position, we know the world is
>dominated by "opposing" positions and so one more cob in a
>field of corn does not significantly advance the discussion.
>
>If you can point out a *useful* extropic point in the Selbourne
>article, I'm willing to look at it.
>
>But if NOT -- NOTICE IS SERVED -- I'm in the Anders camp --
>CONSUMING THE BANDWIDTH OF THE EXTROPIAN LIST, particularly with
>reposts of people presumably unaware of our principles, IS UNEXTROPIC --
>EXPECT ME TO CALL YOU A DIMWITTED NIMKOMPOOP IN PUBLIC FOR DOING SO.
>ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN BEFORE YOU ENGAGE YOUR FINGERS.
>(And feel free to plonk me if I'm so stupid as to do so.)
>
>If you want to form ExI-Related-News or ExI-Unextropic-News
>*then* recruit the support of the board, get those lists started
>and issue yourself a permit for policing those topics that
>belong in one forum or another. *We* control the dials on
>our television sets -- *we* must learn to use them (taking
>a page from the "Outer Limits" operating proceedures handbook...).
>
I heartily disagree; I think that, for us to evolve a correct consensus as to how to frame the present situation so that we might profit from accurately projecting it into the future and making extropic use of that foreknowledge, all available frame alternatives must be presented so that the competition/natural selection process between them (concretized in our dicussions, investigations and debates concerning them) is complete enough to reasonably mirror the referent situation obtaining.
>
>
>Robert
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