From: Adrian `Guru Zeb` Harper (guruzeb@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Wed Sep 12 2001 - 14:13:50 MDT
At 17:14 12/09/01, you wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Adrian `Guru Zeb` Harper wrote:
>
> > But discussing WWW II issues is pretty pointless isn't it, i understand
> > Americans being sensitive
> > right now. But with huge shock of the events of Tuesday i hope comes a
> real
> > opportunity to really examine
> > some of the issues that have contributed to this event happening. I we (
> > the whole world ) doesn't do this are
> > so sure that this won't happen again.
>
>OK. What has the U.S. done to deserve this? Please be specific.
No one is talking about any one DESERVING any thing, well am not anyway.
I am surprised to hear that kind of reductionist rationalizing here. I have
gone
to great pains in all my posts to make the point that the issues i outline are
no EXCUSE for the events of Tuesday.
However i don't see ignoring the elements that have contributed to the
events, as
very constructive.
If we can't discuss ALL the issues even when ppl tip toe around to prevent
giving offence
then what is the point.
Bah ...... now i have to look up my sources BRB :)
Contributory factors under US control:-
(A)
The fact that Ben Laden was trained by the CIA in the first place. Huge
home goal
not the first remember Ho Chi Minh, and Noreaga, and there are others.
This also happens with Nations US policy supports Countries who can be used to
achieve convenient foreign policy goals. Like covertly supporting Iraq in
it's war against
Iran. Think i've made my point on this one.
(B)
Blindly supporting Israel no matter what, look over this list and tell me
that at least a
few are not justified.
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/palestinefoever/UNresolutions.html
Even if you take the view that the UN ( over the period covered )
was controlled entirely by Arabs and Soviets which is absurd. I find it
hard to ignore
so many resolutions.
Despite all this violations the US has rarely made any kind of criticisms
of Israel's policy.
Seven of the resolutions concern Geneva convention violations !
Just to make the point i am NOT any kind of Anti-Semite.
IMHO America supports Israel for some of the reasons it supported Iraq
against Iran. Because
it is politically expedient to do so, nothing to do with fairness or balance.
(C)
This one is a matter of opinion, one which i think has been tragically born
out by recent events.
Primarily that successive US administrations have taken what i call the
"World Sheriff" foreign
policy perspective. Being willing to essential bully and threaten other
nations into compliance
with US desires. Now some of the policies pursued have be to every ones
benefit and completely
reasonable.
However it does not take a genius to work out how a tactic of coercion
generated long standing
bad feeling and hatred within some of those nations.
I am NOT anti-American some US foreign policy however is badly flawed.
I think this gives us a few points to discuss, and please lets keep this a
discussion, the only reason i raise
these issues is because imho i see one of the most interesting and dynamic
cultures on the planet making
some huge mistakes. And i am baffle by the apparent lack of perspective on
them.
Zeb
"FURIOUS GREEN DREAMS, LAY SLEEPING IN STATE,
BUT SOON THE GREAT JELLY SHALL RISE FROM THE
DEPTHS,
AND ALL THOSE WHO MOCKED SHALL KNOW THEIR FATE
IS SEALED"
Guru Zeb,
Hacienda,
Manchester, 1989
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