Re: White Male Discrimination and WWW Syndrome

From: Joe Dees (joedees@addall.com)
Date: Sun Aug 12 2001 - 23:43:05 MDT

('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is) >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:24:54 -0400
> Mike Lorrey <mlorrey@datamann.com> extropians@extropy.org Re: White Male Discrimination and WWW SyndromeReply-To: extropians@extropy.org
>
>Joe Dees wrote:
>> >
>> I was referring to the period, short as it was, BETWEEN the fall of Yugoslavian communism and the rise of Serbian fascism. That was the only period that Sarajevo WASN'T under one bootheel or another, and it was when its inhabitants were most free to pe
>acefully simultaneously celebrate their ethnic diversity and their citizen-of-Sarajevo solidarity. It's called E Pluribus Unum, and wherever it happens, it's a GOOD thing.
>
>And JUST how long did this period last, Joe? It never did. Any
>examination of Yugoslavian history for the last 15 years will find that
>Milosevic was hyping his serbian fascism prior to the breakup of the
>Warsaw Pact, and prior to the breakup of the Yugoslav state with the
>secession of Slovenia and Croatia. You can find in the news archives
>that in the late 1980's, Milosevic made a speech in Kosovo inimating his
>Serbian nationalism, that he would stop the growing influence of
>Albanians in Kosovo.
>
>Once again, Joe, you are quite wrong.
>
There was indeed a period of liberation in Sarajevo after the dissolution of Yugoslavia and before Milosevic, with the help of Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic, laid siege to the city and began shelling it from the surrounding mountains and sending in the snipers, and the brave inhabitants of that city sustained it. Even when the siege was happening to them, they celebrated, as much as possible, their cognitive freedon from the right-wing racist animus motivating their besiegers, presenting concerts and plays even in the midst of the carnage. Their spirits refused to be defeated.
>
>> One way to tell social liberals and social conservatives apart, even when one or both claim to be libertarian, is that the social liberals don't hate/fear the word 'different' and worship the word 'similar'. In fact, the so-called 'rugged individualist
>s' of the Reagan era were among the mosy monochromatic clones I can recall; the real individuals are the ones they despised because of their diversity and multi(ple)culure(alism).
>
>Once again, you show your true colors, Joe. Demonizing, again, your
>opponents.
>
Don't be upset because I borrowed your colors, Mike, for you well and truly own them; you are justly infamous for your liberal use of the 'statist', 'collectivist', 'liberal (as if that's a dirty word)', 'pinko', 'authoritarian', 'fellow-traveller', 'commie' smear.

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