From: Michael LaTorra (mike99@lascruces.com)
Date: Wed Jan 10 2001 - 20:58:37 MST
Dear Mr. Yadav,
I'm sorry, but your theory, which proposes that thinking is destructive and
emotion is healing, has prompted me to stop thinking. Now I only feel. And
my feeling is that your idea for destroying modern industrial civilization
would doom at least 99% of the people of India to slow death from disease
and starvation because modern scientific agriculture is the only thing now
standing between your overpopulated subcontinent and mass death. I feel that
this would be a bad thing, don't you? Therefore, let's resume thinking.
Now go to the Extropy Institute webpage (URL given below) and learn how
advanced technology can save life on earth, end pollution, and make everyone
healthy, wealthy, and perhaps even wise.
By the way, I went to your website and read the "Correspondence with
neuroscientists" as you suggested. They all dismissed your ideas as politely
as they could. I suggest that you study neuroscience yourself if you feel so
strongly about your theory. Then you can conduct your own experiments. You
may be surprised at what you find.
Regards,
Michael LaTorra
mike99@lascruces.com
Member:
Extropy Institute: www.extropy.org
Alcor Life Extension Foundation: www.alcor.org
Society for Technical Communication: www.stc.org
-----Original Message-----
From: M.P. YADAV [mailto:mpyadav@bol.net.in]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:58 AM
To: mike99@lascruces.com
Subject: (no subject)
Seeking help- please forward to members.
Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
FAST VISUALS /WORDS MAKE SLOW EMOTIONS EXTINCT.
SCIENTIFIC /INDUSTRIAL /FINANCIAL THINKING DESTROYS EMOTIONAL CIRCUITS.
Dear Sir /Madam,
THIS IS AN APPEAL FOR HELP.
I have been trying to prove some co-relations in a laboratory. If the
members of this association can help in getting the following experiment
conducted somewhere then please let me know.
( My background is given in the first letter ( letter No. 1 ) under the
topic Correspondence with neuroscientists on the website :
www.netshooter.com/emotion )
IN A FAST SOCIETY SLOW EMOTIONS BECOME EXTINCT.
A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY CANNOT FEEL PAIN / REMORSE / EMPATHY.
A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS BE CRUEL TO ANIMALS/ TREES/ AIR/
WATER/ LAND AND TO ITSELF.
PAIN / REMORSE / EMPATHY = SADNESS + WORRY ( for the suffering of
others )
www.netshooter.com/emotion
Dear Sir / Madam,
I have proposed the following experiment on emotion and am trying to
find a neuroscience/psychophysiology/bio-chemistry laboratory where it
could be conducted.
Can you provide any kind of help in this search?
Please share this message with all members of your society(association)
There is a link between visual / verbal speed ( in perception, memory,
imagery ) and the bio-chemical state of the brain and the body.
Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes ).
The degree of difficulty of an emotion depends upon the degree of
freezing (of visuals and words ) required to intensify and sustain that
particular emotion.
Experiment:
Subjects (preferably actors specialising in tragedy / tragic roles )
will be asked to watch a silent video film showing any of the
following:-
(1) Human suffering.
(2) Animal suffering.
(3) Suffering ( Destruction ) of Air / Water / Land / Trees.
Subjects will be asked to intensify and sustain the subjective feeling
of empathy for the sufferer.
Their brains shall be scanned by Brain Imaging Machines ( PET / FMRI ).
The chemical change associated with the emotion in the brain ( and the
rest of the body ) would be measured by appropriate methods.
The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
(1) 125% of actual speed.
(2) Actual/real speed.
(3) 75% of actual speed.
(4) 50% of actual speed.
(5) 25% of actual speed.
Results :
(1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
(2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
of actual speed)
(3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
brain ( and rest of the body ) will be found to increase with the
decrease in visual speed.
(4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
(5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.
In the 2nd stage of experiment we shall replace the silent video film
with a Narrator ( Audio only ) and repeat the procedure thereby
establishing the
link between intensity of emotion and verbal speed.
Kindly share this message with people who could help in getting the
experiment conducted in a Neuroscience / psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry
laboratory.
Yours Sincerely,
Sushil Yadav
Delhi, India
www.netshooter.com/emotion
www.netshooter.com/emotion
Please note:
(1) If the co-relation is wrong it will be proved wrong experimentally
and the matter will end there.
(2) A THINKING MIND CANNOT INTENSIFY / SUSTAIN ANY EMOTION.
While this statement is generally true for all emotions, it is
particularly true for all painful emotions.
(3) Empathy = Sadness + Worry ( for the suffering of others )
It will be found that empathy activates the same parts of the brain
(neural circuits ) which are activated by sadness and worry. The
chemical changes in the brain and the rest of the body are also the
same.
Sadness and worry ( for the suffering of others ) are emotions of the
highest level.
(4) In a society in which visual ( verbal ) speed and breathing- rates
are fast pain / remorse / empathy cannot be experienced. It is
impossible.
IN A FAST SOCIETY SLOW EMOTIONS BECOME EXTINCT.
PROOF.
Proof of the link between pain and slow visuals / words :-
In the last century man has made thousands of movies / films on various
themes / subjects. Whenever pain / tragedy is shown in any film the
visuals ( scenes ) and words ( dialogues ) are always slowed down. In
many films tragedy is shown in slow motion. At the most intense moment
of pain the films almost become static / stationary.
Tragedy-films provide direct proof / evidence of the link between pain
and slowness.
Pain can intensify / sustain only when visual ( and verbal ) speed slows
down( stops/ freezes).
CHANGE IN VISUAL SPEED OVER THE YEARS
One thousand years ago visuals would change only when man physically
moved himself to a new place or when other people ( animals / birds )
and objects ( clouds / water ) physically moved themselves before him.
Today man sits in front of TV / Computer and watches the rapidly
changing visuals / audio.
He sits in a vehicle ( car / train / bus ) and as it moves he watches
the rapidly changing visuals.
He turns the pages of a book / newspaper / magazine and sees many
visuals / text in a short span.
The speed of visuals ( and words ) has increased so much during the last
one hundred years that today the human brain has become incapable of
focussing on slow visuals /words through perception, memory, imagery.
If we cannot focus on slow visuals / words we cannot experience emotions
associated with slow visuals /words.
IN A FAST SOCIETY SLOW EMOTIONS BECOME EXTINCT.
Before the advent of Industrial Revolution Mans thinking was primarily
limited to :
(a) visual processing ( slow visuals )
(b) verbal / language processing ( slow words )
Today there are many kinds of fast thinking :
(1) visual processing ( fast visuals )
(2) verbal / language processing ( fast words )
If visual / verbal processing is fast we cannot feel slow emotions.
(3) Scientific / Technical thinking ( fast )
(4) Industrial thinking ( fast )
(5) Business thinking ( fast )
(3), (4) & (5) ARE ASSOCIATED WITH NUMBERS / SYMBOLS / EQUATIONS /
GRAPHS /CIRCUITS / DIAGRAMS / MONEY / ACCOUNTING etc
As long as the mind is doing this kind of thinking it cannot feel any
emotion not an iota of emotion.
In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
In a thinking ( scientific / industrial ) society emotion itself becomes
extinct.
EMOTION IS WHAT REMAINS IN THE MIND WHEN VISUAL /VERBAL PROCESSING SLOWS
DOWN (STOPS/ FREEZES )
A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down
as Depression / Anxiety.
A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every
physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.
A society that entertains itself daily experiences every
non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.
SELF-ASSESSMENT OF ( SUBJECTIVE ) INTENSITY OF EMOTION IS ALMOST ALWAYS
WRONG.
Suppose the highest ( maximum ) intensity of a particular emotion that
can be experienced by any human being is 100 units.
Let us suppose the maximum intensity of that particular emotion ever
experienced by two people A & B in their entire life is :
A 100units
B - 20 units
Now suppose A & B are made subjects on a particular day and are asked
to feel that particular emotion under experimental conditions ( or
outside the laboratory ) and the intensity they actually experience is
:
A 90 units
B - 18 units
If A &B are then asked to indicate the intensity of emotion on a scale
of 0 10 their response is likely to be ;
A 9
B - 9
Who is right and who is wrong ?
A is right.
B is wrong B is wrong by a wide margin B has experienced an
intensity of 18 units out of a maximum of 100 units and his correct /
actual score should be 1.8 )
Self- assessment ( self rating ) can be accurate only if people have
the capacity to experience the highest intensity ( units ) of the
particular emotion under study.
In small ( slow ) agriculture based societies of the past because of
physical work and slow visual/verbal processing the mind used to
experience a state of emotion all the time.
Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual / verbal processing
slows down ( stops / freezes ). In an Industrial (thinking) society
because of fast ( visual / verbal / scientific / industrial / business )
thinking people experience very little emotion.
Suppose the maximum intensity of a particular emotion ( for most people
) in a fast society has reduced to 5 units ( from 100 units that people
used to experience in earlier /slower societies ).
If such people experience 4 units of emotion they will give themselves a
rating /score of 8 on a scale of 0-10 whereas their actual score should
be 0.4
IN A FAST SOCIETY SLOW EMOTIONS BECOME EXTINCT.
(1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
(2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
without destroying nature.
(3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
limited to searching for food for one time only.
(4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
years / a few hundred years.
(5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
(6) This destruction took place because of Mans thinking.
(7) When man thinks he makes things.
(8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).
(9) A thinking species destroys the planet.
There was a time when Man knew nothing about the number of species and
millions of species existed.
Today Man knows the names of millions of species and nothing is left of
the species.
Man can do the same physical work every day.
Man cannot do the same mental work every day.
When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he
could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after
generation.
After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he
began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-
a process which can only end with the complete destruction of
environment ( planet ).
AS LONG AS CITIES EXIST ENVIRONMENT CANNOT BE SAVED.
To save the ( remaining ) environment from destruction man will have to
return back to physical work ( smaller communities ).
To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to
physical work ( smaller communities ).
Environment can be saved only if we stop production of most ( more than
99% ) of the consumer goods we are making today.
ENVIRONMENT CANNOT BE SAVED BY RECYCLING
TRYING TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT BY RECYCLING IS LIKE SHOOTING SOMEONE
10,000 TIMES AND THEN TRYING TO SAVE HIM BY TAKING OUT ONE BULLET.
Yours Sincerely,
Sushil Yadav
www.netshooter.com/emotion
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