Re: Extremism

From: Joe Dees (joedees@addall.com)
Date: Mon Jan 08 2001 - 14:46:46 MST

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>From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <mlorrey@datamann.com>
>To: extropians@extropy.org
>Subject: Re: Extremism
>Reply-To: extropians@extropy.org
>
>Jerry Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> Harvey Newstrom wrote:
>> >One of the greatest ironies about this whole extremism structure is that it
>> is exactly the extremist sheeple on both sides of an issue who accuse the
>> independent and balanced thinkers of being either sheeple or followers of
>> the other herd, simply because they won't run with their own.
>>
>> Are we starting to see why the word is meaningless? The truth of an idea
>> isn't related to the number of people that believe it. That us effectively
>> putting the cart before the horse. ;)
>
>Thats right. Too many so-called 'independent and balanced thinkers' are
>either people without principles, ever bending to the perception of
>current short term self interest or else they are so co-dependent that
>they are quite happy to let public opinion do their thinking for them.
>
Here a progun extremist makes me a prophet, by calling moderates "sheeple", while himself sheepily hewing to the absoutistic party line. How ironic!
>
>Yes, some here call me an extremist. I am a principled man, I try to
>live intentionally, not due to opportunity or utility. Too many have
>fought and died defending or attempting to obtain the principles which I
>hold dearly for me to take them lightly or for granted. Too many today
>seek to destroy these principles for me to stand by watching. This is
>not extremism, it is responsibility.
>
Yes, you have principles, but they are EXTREME ones, as are those of James Rogers and Brian Williams, your progun extremist droogies. Too many kill who should not even HAVE guns, and too many die who should not have had to because of it. You take their lives and deaths for granted, and pompously and self-righteously sublimate them to your anal and genital fixation on a metallic and chemical slingshot. This is the height of IRresponsibility, but beung an extremist, you are cognitively blind to the white-dog truth of this single, simple fact.
>
>I could easily say that those who call me extremist are themselves
>extremists: they take their alleged disinterest or moderation to
>extremes. Those who claim to be 'moderate' are those 'good men' referred
>to that permit evil to flourish because they do nothing. Now, Joe,
>according to his posts, has been pretty courageous in defending abortion
>rights, no doubt about it. Some may say he's a bit of an extremist about
>it. I would hope that such a person could be similarly courageous about
>other issues in life... rather than being extremely and obsessively
>moderate while demonizing others who feel as passionately about 2nd
>amendment rights as he does about a woman's 9th amendment right.
>
I am not a pro-choice extremist, but an assertive moderate (unlike your gross mischaracterization, belied by my very list presence and articulation of my positions, not all moderates are quietistic or apathetic about their stands), because, unlike you and your absolutistic, take-no-prisoners, wild-west, shoot-'em-up, everybody-pack, let-the-kids-crazies-and-criminals-get-guns stand (or at least have no laws prohibiting same) where there is room only on one side of your stance on the gun issue, there are positions on the issue on both sides of mine on BOTH the abortion issue AND the gun issue - as you well know. People call you a progun extremist because that's what you ARE, Mikey; since you and your herd publicly bathe and revel in it on this list every frigging chance you get, even after being told to PLEEZE take it elsewhere by the clear majority here, you might as well accept that fact, live with it and deal with it - or change it.

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