Re: GUNS: Why here?

From: Joe Dees (joedees@addall.com)
Date: Thu Oct 26 2000 - 14:38:28 MDT

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>> > To kill 2 CIA employees and wound three others
>> >outside Langley, VA headquarters in 1993
>> >
>> >This was a former CIA type, was it not? A falling out amongst thieves!
>> >
>>No, it was a middle eastern terrorist type, I believe.
>
>I suppose no "middle eastern" types were ever CIA operatives or moles?
>
That's like saying that Tim McVeigh was a CIA mole! We have had a notoriously difficult time infiltrating islamic terrorist groups, and depend almost exclusively upon tips from Mossad, spysat pictures and NSA comm interceptions for our intel in such matters.
>
>
> > I'd rather that school guards (and bank guards, as well) be fit and well
>trained instead of obese or frail geezers supplementing their
>retirement. I do NOT want teachers armed in class, > any more than I want
>school guards teaching english composition, physics or chemistry; I'd much
>rather leave each profession to its respective professionals.
>
>Reasonable point. Teachers should not be acting as armed guards. We need a
>paradigm shift in teaching, anyway. Maybe take the whole business away from
>govt. and put it in the hands of private businesses who would be answerable
>to their customers - the students and parents?
>
>Still, if a teacher carries protection for personal use, why should they be
>disarmed just because of the present location? The bad guys won't play by
>the rules - so there is NO truly safe place where such restrictions would
>make sense.
>
>We've had metal detectors and airport style wand frisks at Chicago schools
>for quite a while - the little angels still manage to bring in guns.
>There's no solution past totally nude education that can stop all the
>contraband at the door. Hey - now there's a new paradigm - but, thinking
>back on some of my teachers, maybe not - wouldn't want to scare the kids!
>
One teacher here had her purse, containing her gun, stolen by students. If they're not strapped, snapped and constantly monitored (which is not helpful to one's teaching or teacher-student relations), they're not secure.
>> >
>>Actually, handguns and shotguns are better for close range home
>>protection. Rifles are intended for medium to long-range fire, or for
>>rapid firefight spray if they are semiauto or auto.
>
>The very weapons HCI wants to eliminate first.
>
HCI, as far as I understand their stated position, wants to keep handguns, and indeed all guns, out of the hands of psychos, violent criminals and children. Remember that the founder, Sarah Brady, is a woman whose husband took a bullet for Ronald Reagan, shot from a handgun purchased by a (still) certified psycho who was trying to impress Jodie Foster, whom he had never met, inspired by a movie.
>> >
>> >Stupid laws like the "assault weapon" ban are just incremental gun
>> >prohibition - especially if the definition of "assault weapon" continues to
>> >mutate, like in California.
>> >
>>Actually, what mutated were the guns. The manufacturers produced
>>cosmetically altered copycat versions specifically designed to circumvent
>>the ban while retaining the desired rapid-fire characteristics, and the
>>law was amended to cover them.
>
>Not really. California continuously changes the rules, and has no
>compunction about confiscation. Many people who registered their SKSs found
>out the hard way.
>
When the guns change to circumvent the rules, the rules have to change to stymie the circumvention. It's coevolutionary.
>
>>I also do not advocate gun registration, but rather people registration;
>>the maintainence of a purchase-prohibited list that must be referenced by
>>background check prior to a sale. I CAN see the point in a short waiting
>>period, until all the records that need to be accessed are made instantly
>>accessible. There are also such things as 'crimes of passion' and 'jealous
>>rages'; but I cannot see preventing a sane and law-abiding adult from
>>immediately buying a means of personal protection, although I would also
>>hope that they would call the police.
>
>Now we are in agreement almost totally.
>
>An interesting note:
>Right at this moment - the radio is quoting how Cook County Sheriff Sheahan
>is recalling 5000 free gun locks he was handing out - they can be opened by
>a hard blow. When he issued the locks a week ago, the antis hailed this
>"sensible" move - now they are claiming it was all a publicity stunt by the
>wacko gun nuts.
>
We have the same problem in this county, too; locks are being recalled and new ones are being obtained for distribution.
>
>Chuck Kuecker
>
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