From: Michael S. Lorrey (retroman@turbont.net)
Date: Wed Sep 13 2000 - 11:38:10 MDT
Joe Dees wrote:
>
> >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:33:15 -0400
> >From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
> >
> >Considering that Nazis are in fact SOCIALISTS, your claim that McVeigh and/or
> >Christian Identity is 'conservative' is disengenuous at best, and a total lie at
> >worst, but thats never stopped you before. In fact, the ease with which most
> >socialists fit in with the eco-fanatic primitivist types demonstrates that his
> >drift toward Kazynskism is not that far of a reach for him.
> >
> So, you would not consider either those trying to conserve racial/ethnic purity (not a laudable goal) or those trying
> to conserve environmental diversity and cleanliness (a more laudable one) as conservative? Interesting. Equally interesting is the specific claim that Christian Identity is not conservative. On the bipolar conservative-to-liberal spectrum, I sincerely doubt if either they or social liberals would care to be associated with each other.
If you actually study the economic planks of neo-nazi groups, as well as their
attitude toward internationalism, what you will find is a very
populist/socialist platform that would not be out of place at the Green Party
Convention. Remember that the KKK's political base prior to the 60's, dating
back to Resconstruction, was entirely in the Democratic Party. If you read
Bellamy's novel, Looking Backward, which is considered a landmark American
Socialist novel, and which kicked off Nationalism movements throughout the
western world (which were always socialist oriented), you will see that it is a
socialist platform. The religious right, that originates in the Southern US, was
originally solidly Democratic, but split (as part of the Dixiecrats, originally)
over things like civil rights, gay/lesbian rights, separation of church & state,
etc. Them joining the Republicans is about as logical as Buchanan joining the
Reform Party. I just wish he had done a better job of drawing more bigots away
from the party.
Socialist liberals do not like neo-nazis only because they actually compete on
the same arguments to different constitutencies. This was evident during the
Weimar Republic, where Brownshirt and Communist groups would wage streetfights,
not because they opposed each other ideologically, but because they competed for
the same constituency. If you study the propaganda put out by communists,
socialists, and fellow travelers during WWII, you (and George Orwell noticed
this) will notice that what they publicly think of Hitler was directly reflected
by the day by day status of the secret alliance between Stalin and Hitler. When
they split poland, Hilter was a friend of socialism. When he broke the treaty,
he was a bad guy again. Communists and socialists in the US were brought up fed
the pap put out by the Soviet propaganda machine about the 'Great Patriotic War'
against Hitler, and try to deny that Stalin was ever in league with him.
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