From: Waldemar Ingdahl (wingdahl@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Apr 17 2000 - 08:33:32 MDT
>From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
>Reply-To: extropians@extropy.com
>To: extropians@extropy.com
>Subject: Re: smart gun
>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:33:38 -0400
>
> > Perhaps I didn't use the correct English term, I didn't mean a nice
> > government but the society that is not the government.
>
>Understood, but are you hypothesizing a civil society without government
>present or just community movements that will create a civil society
>while ignoring government? Typically if you try to ignore government,
>they get really suspicious of your motives.
I'm not hypothesizing, the civil society is all around us now. It is the
institutions that people have created like clubs, associations et al. They
have been severly blocked by the state that often has taken over or
incorporated their activities (corporativism). No body created this (like
the market economy) it was created by spontaneous order. I think that
transhumanism has much to gain from supporting this, since they often create
a more dynamist environment than etatism that often creates a stasist
environment in society through its controls.
Once again I must reccomend Virginia Postrel's "The future and its enemies".
> > Indeed, I think the US naturalizes about 1 MILLION legal immigrants
>every
> > year. In Europe there is hardly any mobility even between the countries
>of
> > the European Union. And the EU has erected a strict barrier against the
>rest
> > of the world.
>
>Its our only real source of population growth. The US is, according to
>some, a group of nations (legalistically this is true, its a federation
>of sovereign states) on a cultural level. There's the various
>metropolitan city states, the industrial northeast, the south, Texas (a
>planet all its own), the south west, the northwest, and the populist
>midwestern states, and Alaska. I'm sure that many in europe look at the
>mobility between all of these states and cultures as a big contributor
>to not only the dynamism but the civil distress that goes on here.
But they are wrong.:-)
Sincerely,
Waldemar Ingdahl
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