From: Michael S. Lorrey (retroman@turbont.net)
Date: Thu Feb 17 2000 - 00:29:00 MST
upgrade wrote:
>
> At 12:04 AM 2/17/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 2/16/2000 9:00:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, fm1@amug.org
> >writes:
> >
> ><< http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07d.htm >>
> >thanks, I had not read this... As always I am impressed with Max's writing
> >and thoughts
>
> I'm toying with the idea of setting up a Deep Anarchy list.
> (In DEEP ANARCHY -- AN ELIMINATIVIST VIEW OF
> "THE STATE" <http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07d.shtml>,
> Max coined the term "Deep Anarchy.")
>
> According to Max T. O'Connor (aka Max More):
> "Traditional anarchists want to abolish the "State." In planning their
> strategies and in doing their thinking about this they rarely question
> the existence or fundamental nature of their enemy. This situation
> wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that their mistaken beliefs
> often lead them into counterproductive political strategies. Thus we
> observe the ludicrous sight of self-named anarchists joining political
> parties (usually the Libertarian Party) in order to hasten the end of
> the system. The idea seems to be: We can remove it by being
> absorbed by it!
Its not totally a bad idea. Considering how much libertarian thought has
been shaping politics the last ten years, it does seem to be working a
bit. The problem is that in joining the establishment, your goals become
diluted, and the people wind up with a sweetened, more palatable and
managable version. Witness how socialists in the democratic parties of
the west were able to turn former laissez faire economies into compound
economies of mercantilists using socialist governments to manage and
dopify the people, and to allow and organize the externalization of
mercantilists costs. Because of this, there was never a revolution of
the proletariat in the west.
To establish a true anarchy a 'Deep' anarchy, the nihilistic methods
must be used as taught in the ChiCom schools. Entice the establishment
of powerful police forces and the abuse or negation of civil rights.
Atrocities ensue which trigger further rebellion and calls for more
fascism. There are key points where events can be interrupted to
establish either fascist totalitarianism or anarchy, and the key to
which way the population chooses all depends on the propaganda war.
This does not necessarily need to mean actual physical violence in the
real world. Since more of the economy is moving to the net, cyber
terrorism takes on new power, as seen by events in the last few weeks
with DoS attacks on prime dot com websites. The problem is figuring out
how to entice opressive measures by government over the net. It
currently seems that the government is resisting the reprisal/repression
urge.
>
> I want to suggest that when we talk of "the State" we are not talking
> of any entity, either concrete or abstract. I will provide two main
> arguments for this: One from considerations of methodological
> individualism, and another that could be called "the argument from
> fuzziness." "Deep Anarchy" is the view that results from these
> thoughts; it is the idea that we already live in an anarchy."
Anyone who looks at the back seat of my Cherokee knows I at least live
in one... ;) I'm not so sure about the rest of you.
>
> The purpose of the list might be to explore the deepest aspects
> of coercive political systems, including the possibility that all
> current coercive political systems are complete hoaxes.
>
> Anyone interested?
Certainly, so long as it doesn't get inundated by anarchists who are
closet socialists (the whole Eugene gang).
Mike Lorrey
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