From nicolas.dorier at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 16:38:11 2016 From: nicolas.dorier at gmail.com (Nicolas Dorier) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 01:38:11 +0900 Subject: [Lightning-dev] Backward deterministic R Value In-Reply-To: <56DEFD5A.4080806@blockchain.com> References: <87d1r5ooev.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> <1457421588.1640.3.camel@ultimatestunts.nl> <56DEECD9.9060202@blockchain.com> <56DEF560.8080908@blockchain.com> <56DEFD5A.4080806@blockchain.com> Message-ID: That's my fault, I said "R-Value" instead of "Commit Revocation Hash". I've not yet thought about how the idea of hash chain can be used for HTLC. On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Mats Jerratsch wrote: > Hah I see, I didn't knew you weren't talking about HTLCs. > > But why would you use R values in the first place then? Maybe I'm a > little bit confused about what exact use case we are talking here, mind > elaborating? :) > > Am 08/03/2016 um 16:14 schrieb Nicolas Dorier: > > I don't understand your point, but that may come from me not having > > deep enough knowledge about the latest great things happening on > > Lightning. > > > > I exposed the case of a simple bipayment channel, without HTLC in the > > equation, where all payments are sequential. > > > > You can't make commitment n+2 before accepting commitment n+1. > > > > My mental model might be incomplete as I'm followed only remotely > > the improvements of lightning until now. > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Mats Jerratsch > > wrote: > > > > I'm not saying they close the channel. Alice could want to receive > more > > money and accept other payments, but not a particular one. But by > doing > > so, she would automatically disclose R for any old payment. > > > > Am 08/03/2016 um 15:51 schrieb Nicolas Dorier: > > > I'm not sure what you mean Alice don't have to disclose R if she > does > > > not want to. > > > > -- > > Mats Jerratsch > > Backend Engineer, Blockchain > > e: mats at blockchain.com > > PGP: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7F3EC6CA > > > > > > -- > Mats Jerratsch > Backend Engineer, Blockchain > e: mats at blockchain.com > PGP: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7F3EC6CA > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: