[p2p-research] Sufi States Inside The State:

[Michel Bauwens]

Thank you David, indeed, we did not get the previous emails!

here is the entry on multigovernment a synonym for de Puydt's panarcy:


Multigovernment, http://p2pfoundation.net/Multigovernment

(see also somewhat similar: http://p2pfoundation.net/Polyarchy)

A thought tradition that advocates that citizens should have their choice of
government.

>From an introduction at
http://www.panarchy.org/day/multigovernment.1977.html


" The choice government concept is the backbone of Multigovernment systems.
Our descriptions up to this point have been of compulsory organizations;
that is, the citizens have to belong to the geographical democracy and be
subject to the rulings of the judicial republic. It is a philosophy of
Multigovernment that when governments are compulsory, only those government
functions absolutely necessary should be performed.

Compensating for the vacuum of services not performed by traditional
government, Multigovernment suggests that governments be created to meet the
different needs of men, so any man can find the exact, or almost perfect,
government for him. Man, if he so desires, may belong to no government at
all except the above compulsory governments with the bare necessary
functions. Those who belong to no government are called "free agents."

The free agents will be living as the conservative (right-winger,
libertarian, etc.) would like to live today; that is, conforming to their
idea of freedom: freedom from government intervention. The weakness of
present-day conservatism is that they do not take into account those who
cannot exist, or do not wish to exist, in the conservatives' version of
freedom. On the other side of the coin, the weakness of liberalism (left
wing, collectivism, etc.) is that they all want government services but in
different ways. In other words, what, where, who, and how much. Each faction
has its own idea about which direction government should go. The crux of the
Multigovernment idea is that governments and organizations coexist and
fulfil each faction's idea of good government. Then each person can choose
from among the competitive governments, the government he wants to belong
to.

Multigovernment will present to every individual the right to a broader
choice of options in every aspect of his lifestyle. It will introduce a new
dimension of freedom not yet experienced by mankind.

Multigovernment will eliminate wars. If government's ideology is built
around the individual and not land-mass occupation, who are the conquerors
going to conquer? The Multigovernment system will cause all revolutions to
cease. If you don't like the government you have, you can quit and join
another.

Multigovernment makes the observation that no one system or form of
government is best for all people. One government cannot be all things to
all people. All individuals have a right to belong to the government that
suits them best. The only answer is to allow organizational and social
systems and governments to exist simultaneously, within the same location.
Multigovernment asserts that not only is the above described governmental
method workable, but it is necessary to save civilization as we know it." (
http://www.panarchy.org/day/multigovernment.1977.html)


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More Information

Background texts on this thought tradition at http://www.panarchy.org/

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:15 PM, David Ronfeldt <ronfeldt at mac.com> wrote:

>
> [i have impression this did not get sent properly yesterday, despite two
> efforts, so i'm resending.  apology if duplication.  michel, for some
> unknown reason, i continue having problems getting apple's @mac.commachines to send you my emails!?]
>
> just a quick comment:  this reference to states inside states reminds me of
> an old view of panarchy i came across that is quite different from the
> modern view i'm used to seeing and mentioning:
>
> "According to de Puydt, many governments freely chosen by the individuals
> can co-exist side by side in the same territory and supply more efficiently
> and cheaply all those services that are now provided (very often
> ineffectively and costly) by a monopolistic territorial state. In this
> conception of Panarchy, the termination of every political monopoly and the
> personal freedom to choose between competing governments would then
> constitute decisive, if not indispensable, factors for obtaining better and
> more cost-effective social services."
>
> from an article by a Gian Piero de Bellis,
> citing Paul Emile de Puydt, Panarchy (Panarchie).
> in the section on the origins of the panarchy concept,
> at  http://www.panarchy.org/debellis/onpanarchy.html
>
> panarchy.org is quite different from panarchy.com (paul hartzog's site).
>  and i remain unfamiliar and unsure about the first, but it speaks to
> something i've sometimes wondered about:  different kinds of systems/states
> coexisting on same terrain, with individuals able to choose in which one
> they fit.
>
> michel, i'm still planning to post about your concept of the partner state.
>  but i'm also still way behind and not quite back on track.
>
> ===
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 2:08 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
>  hi ignacio,
>>
>> i'm similarly travellign so let's see if anyone else is inspired ...
>>
>> othewise, i'd be happy to wait for a better moment, there is no hurry
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ignacio de castro <ignactro at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Dear Michel,
>>
>> first of all sorry for the late response (I have been travelling) and
>> thanks for these very interesting links and Ugarte´s book. Unfortunatedly at
>> the present time I have a huge workload ahead and cannot find time for
>> anything else apart of keeping up to it.
>>
>> Nevertheless I would be glad to contribute up to the extent of my
>> possibilities if you go ahead with it. Maybe this is a good subject for
>> peer-producing an article.
>>
>>
>> Ignacio
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> here's another suggestion, dear Ignacio:
>>
>> Sufi States Inside The State:
>>
>> http://www.moroccoboard.com/viewpoint/119-sarah-zaaimi-/1113--sufi-states-inside-the-state-
>>
>> "Some Sufi orders for religious and historical reasons succeeded in
>> founding autonomous states inside other sovereign states. In Senegal for
>> instance, many clerical city-states and Jihadi villages emerged as
>> independent beings following some particular historical events. These
>> city-states in Senegambia enjoy total autonomy from the central state, and
>> run their territories as independent structures in all fields. In Kurdistan,
>> the Sufi Derwish in Boiveh has a total control over their religious
>> ceremonial lives and autonomous running of their administration and
>> services. Yet, the Boiveh Derwish brotherhood can’t be considered fully as a
>> state because it is still undergoing many pressures by the Iranian state and
>> has no historical impregnation in time.
>>
>> This paper will examine the characteristics of two main Senegambian
>> autonomous regions: Touba and Pakao. The fist is a Sufi city-state of the
>> Mouride brotherhood; the second is a region were autonomous Jihadi villages
>> that run themselves in a local kind of organization. It would try to see if
>> Touba and Pakao can be called States. Then, it would try to analyze the
>> features of the Boiveh Derwish community with regards to modern state
>> characteristics. This paper would focus mostly on the ceremonial, the
>> economic and the administrative aspects of autonomy in the three studied
>> cases.
>> The Example Of Touba"
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
>


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