[p2p-research] Fwd: Vow of Wealth : skype conference co-initiated by Pavlik

Sun Oct 17 07:09:41 CEST 2010

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From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 3:56 AM
Subject: Vow of Wealth : skype conference co-initiated by Pavlik
To: Fernanda Ibarra <fernanda at thetransitioner.org>, Jean-François Noubel <
jf at thetransitioner.org>, elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper at wwelves.org>
Cc: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>, Alan Rosenblith <
alan at shadesofgreymedia.com>, Jay Standish <jay.standish at gmail.com>,
opencc at googlegroups.com, Jean-Luc Roux <jeanlucroux1 at gmail.com>

Dear Jean Francois

regarding the "vow of wealth" you expressed for yourself
http://noubel.com/vow/

( have you initiated its application ? )

my friend Pavlik ( http://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper/ )
is organizing a skype conference with some people around the world that made
a similar vow,
and in some cases lived for more then 20 years without using money directly
in their personal transactions.

Feel free to contact Pavlik ( whom I add to this message )

Cordially,
Dante

ps, I notice :

http://noubel.com/response-to-friends-concerned-by-my-present-situation/

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fernanda, Jean-Francois, ( cc: open cc, Jay, Alan, Michel , Jean-Luc)
>
> I am happy to read about new initiatives,
> and feel that this latest initiative its heading in a certain direction
> which acknowledges reputation, and some kind of apparent will to show "some
> kind" of democratic approach.
>
> Nevertheless, I have a few questions,
> which start with a feeling I wish to share, if you are ready to receive it
> :
>
> At first stance, intuitively, its a << "No", This approach does not "feel"
> right ! >>
>
> http://www.wix.com/thetransitioner/playshop/home
>
> But perhaps it is because I do not have all information at hand ?
>
> I notice *" Participants will be sent a guide with all technical details
> and support.  "*
> *( http://www.wix.com/thetransitioner/playshop/home )*
> Is there a reason why is is only sent after one becomes a ( paying )
> "participant" ?
>
> In a further "thinking" attempt at analysis and reasoning :
>
> What is the scarce central bank debt money you ask for needed or used for ?
>
> Can I myself make the initiative to choose when to give, and for what ?
> ( while being aware that my situation and history impacts my personal
> reputation )
> Or is it conditional , hoarding access unless I pay you a tax ?
> And if so, are you also paying to participate ?
> Are we peers ?
> Is this benefiting our commons ?
> Which commons ?
>
> I also feel like sharing this article published recently, in which I feel
> there are some interesting points :
>
>
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/beyond-alternative-currencies-towards-asymmetric-account-systems-for-gift-based-markets/2010/10/13?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+P2pFoundation+(P2P+Foundation)
>
>  Citing<http://alanrosenblith.blogspot.com/2010/09/currency-design-possibilities.html>
>  *Alan Rosenblith*:
>
> *“What’s most important about this new mode of production is that it is
> NOT about the quid-pro-quo, something-for-something social contract. The
> primary motivation for participation is intrinsic rather than extrinsic.
> Therefore, in the most fundamental way, this new currency will NOT be based
> on the quid-pro-quo social contract. *
>
> *---*
> Can you make it "Libre" ?
>
> I do not mean it has to be "free" as in "free beer", and I may be willing
> to find solutions to cover costs,
> but for this I personally need to have transparency regarding costs, and be
> able to democratically choose what I choose to support, and what not.
>
> See some definition of "libre" :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_Libre
>
> If it can be libre and transparent, I am most interested in participating !
>
> Or is such "pioneering" by using an "alpha version" ( as mentionned on -->
> http://www.wix.com/thetransitioner/playshop/home )
> restricted to "contractual paying participants" ?
>
> Are the tools available for alpha/beta testing for free ?
> Is this a tool built on XGFL ? (
> http://www.metacurrency.org/content/extensible-game-format-language-xgfl )
>
> Thanks in advance for some more answers.
>
> Looking forward to share our engagement in alternative transaction
> information systems / meta data protocols in a commons / peer to peer
> approach.
> I hope this relation can last and that we can keep each other aware.
>
> Cordially,
> Dante
> http://hitchwiki.org/en/Dante
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM, TheTransitioner team <
> team at thetransitioner.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Dante-Gabryell,
>>
>> We are inviting you to participate in a *5 week "free currencies" online
>> playshop, starting Nov 2, 2010*.
>>
>> The objective, in 5 weeks, is to *share a grounded, pragmatic experience
>> of the radical transformation that is about to happen in the world*.
>>
>> Free currencies are not just another app for making transactions. By
>> deactivating the artificial scarcity embedded in conventional money, by
>> giving the power to citizens to manage the real economy, free currencies
>> take away the hidden competition and fear that poisons most human
>> relationships. They give us freedom to exchange and acknowledge wealth the
>> way we want. Friends, we are bringing the global social contract to the next
>> level!
>>
>> During this online playshop you will use an early version of the
>> technology, you will get a taste of what building new economies looks like.
>> You might even decide to create the next currency constellation for your
>> community or organization!
>>
>> *Take a look at the practical information and please RSVP online*<http://www.wix.com/thetransitioner/playshop/home>.
>> This playshop is limited to 30 people, so don't wait for the last minute!
>>
>> We look forward to seeing you and share a magical pioneering moment
>> together!
>>
>> Fernanda Ibarra and Jean-François Noubel
>> TheTransitioner.org <http://thetransitioner.org/> - Twitter:
>> @thetransitioner
>>
>
>

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