[p2p-research] towards hybrid p2p brother monks and sisters nons ?

[Michel Bauwens]

I would say, as an institution, probably not, but in some particular places,
who knows, but I'm not aware of any projects in that sense,

historically though, if we do go down the drain, it's always these types of
resilient communities that have made civlisation survive, it happened
several times in history,

Michel

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:

> *Could the existing monasteries and friar / mendicant orders ,*
> religious and non religious ,
> *be an interesting ground for collaboration in a network of p2p commons
> oriented phyles ?*
> *
> *
> Any Open Source Ecology projects in Monasteries / Ashram's ?
>
> Have questions and parallels regarding commons and "peer property" been
> made with monasteries ? Under what legal framework of property ownership do
> various monasteries belong ?  Monasteries as Phyles ?
>
> Thanks :)
>
> --------------
>
> some more links :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendicant_orders
> *
> *
> *The **mendicant orders** are **religious orders*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_order>
> * which depend directly on the **charity*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_(practice)>
> * of the people for their livelihood. In principle, they do not own **
> property* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property>*, either individually or
> collectively (see **corporate poverty*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_poverty>
> *), believing that this was the most pure way of life to copy followed by
> **Jesus Christ* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ>*, in order
> that all their time and energy could be expended on religious work.*
> *
> *
> *http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Source_Ecology*
> *
> *
> *excerpt : *
> *" We engage in what we call neo-subsistence, or technologically advanced
> subsistence that blends ancient wisdom and new technology to provide a high
> quality of life. The lifestyle includes meaningful work, service to the
> greater global community, and leisure to pursue one's true interests. "*
> *
> *
> *http://p2pfoundation.net/Phyles*
> *
> *
> *"they are not companies linked to a community, but transnational
> communities that have acquired enterprises in order to gain continuity in
> time and robustness"*
> *
> *
> *---*
>
> ps: sorry for the english spelling mistake in the title - I meant "Nun's"
>
>  On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Interesting, I wasn't aware, or had forgotten, about that monk/friar
>> distinction, which I really think refer to universal roles, outside of a
>> strict church viewpoint ...
>>
>> I guess many of us on the list are indeed functionally friars, and if we
>> had a sustainable phyle, could support pure monk/researchers ...
>>
>> Anathem is a good book to read imagining a world where scientific friars
>> would rule the world ...
>>
>> Not sure the time is ripe to create such highly structured secular orders
>> though ..
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>   On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michel,
>>> perhaps you or some people you know have some overview on such
>>> sociocultural and potentially legal reification ?
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Reflecting upon some adapted version, for a commons committed p2p
>>> cooperative individualist paradigm ,
>>>
>>> of the " Friar " and " Monk " *lifestyles, and social status*.
>>>
>>> Am I a " P2P Friar" attempting to become a Hybrid " P2P Friar Monk " ?
>>> ( what words can I use as to not need to differentiate between "male" and
>>> "female" ? )
>>>
>>> Or perhaps a " P2P Pilgrim Friar Monk Evangelist " ?
>>>
>>> If so, how is it recognized by society ?
>>>
>>> In which society ?
>>>
>>> Can I have it recognized in Western Society ?
>>> Does this apply to a specific legal status ?
>>>
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friar
>>>
>>>  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friar>Friars differ from monks<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk> in
>>> that they are called to live the evangelical counsels (vows of poverty,
>>> chastity and obedience) in service to a community, rather than through
>>> cloistered <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloister> asceticism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asceticism> and
>>> devotion. Whereas monks live cloistered away from the world in a
>>> self-sufficient community, friars are supported by donations or other
>>> charitable support.[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friar#cite_note-0> A
>>> monk or nun makes their vows and commits to a particular community in a
>>> particular place. A friar in making vows commits to a community spread
>>> across a wider geographical area (a province) and so a friar will typically
>>> move around spending time in different houses of the community within the
>>> province.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelism
>>>
>>> *Evangelism* refers to the practice of relaying information about a
>>> particular set of beliefs to others who do not hold those beliefs.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrimage
>>>
>>> In religion <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion> and spirituality<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality>,
>>> a *pilgrimage* is a long [quest|journey] or search<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search> of
>>> great moral <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral> significance.
>>> Sometimes, it is a journey to a shrine<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine>of
>>> importance to a person's beliefs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief>
>>>  and faith <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith>.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-Peer_(meme)
>>>
>>> P2P is a specific form of relational dynamic, based on the assumed
>>> equipotency of its participants, organized through the free cooperation of
>>> equals in view of the performance of a common task, for the creation of a
>>> common good, with forms of decision-making and autonomy that are widely
>>> distributed throughout the network.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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