[p2p-research] publishing wikipedia articles for money, is that a scam?

[Michel Bauwens]

yes, we will be working on some automated scheme, that gives every
contributor to an intellectual commons, a fair share of the proceeds ...

Michel

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting.
>
> I agree it's fundamentally unethical. Although, if someone is really
> in need (needs money for medical costs, needs money for food, water,
> shelter or physical safety) I would rather they sell a copylefted work
> of mine without me getting a cut.
>
> I'll bet that was *not* the case with Books, LLC
>
>
> Also, wanted to let Kasper know that Wikimedia does sell their content
> (with automatic attribution given to all authors) via
> http://pediapress.com/ as far as I know PediaPress does *not* pay
> authors.
>
> The publishing system that I wanted to set up with Michel using
> mediawiki for P2PF/Forward Foundation *would* pay all authors through
> some kind of micropayment system (one purchase would pay out to all
> contributors based on different rules).
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > see kasper souren's article here at
> > http://guaka.org/2010/11/25/books-llc-scam-amazon
> >
> > for me, this would be legitimate, given the license, but not necessarily
> > ethical, depending on how the benefit sharing happens with wikipedia and
> its
> > authors,
> >
> > would kleiner's copyfarleft offer a solution to this?
> >
> > kasper, feel free to also publish this on the p2p blog if you like,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > Books LLC scam on Amazon
> >
> > Submitted by Kasper Souren on November 25, 2010 - 17:50
> >
> > I love books about linguistics and I've been learning Hebrew and Arabic
> for
> > a while now. So I was happy to see this title on Amazon: Semitic
> > Linguistics: Proto-Semitic Language, Semitic Root, Status Constructus,
> > Broken Plural, Nonconcatenative Morphology, Emphatic Consonant.
> >
> > Scam LLC
> >
> > I ordered it without too much thought. When the shipment arrived I was a
> bit
> > surprised at how thin the book was, which costs almost 10 quid. I took it
> > with me on a trip without looking into it. In the train I opened the book
> > and I felt had. It's fucking scam.
> >
> > Apparently Books LLC is taking articles from Wikipedia and putting them
> up
> > for sale on Amazon. Perfectly legal, thanks to the Creative Commons
> > Attribution ShareAlike license. But it's still a fucking rip-off.
> Especially
> > since they can come up with tons of new "books" every day like this.
> >
> > The problem lies with Amazon
> >
> > The main problem here lies with Amazon. I really don't understand why
> they
> > accept selling this book. It screws up their name and it will be a while
> > before I order books again there without deep scrutiny of the books -
> which
> > makes it less likely I'll buy there.
> >
> > Today I shipped back the book, which costs me 6 euros, but it's worth
> every
> > euro if it makes Amazon consider taking Books LLC crap off of their
> online
> > store... And apart from writing it off with this blog post I left some
> more
> > reviews for books from Books LLC on Amazon.
> >
> > Meanwhile it would be good if the Wikimedia Foundation dives into this
> and
> > starts selling printed Wikipedia articles themselves. I would be happy to
> > buy these since it would look much better, and the money would go to
> support
> > Wikipedia. And if it turns out to be a genuine success we won't have to
> look
> > at Jimbo next year whenever we look up something on Wikipedia ;)
> >
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