[p2p-research] Fwd: Actually Existing Internet Communism

Thu Nov 18 16:07:23 CET 2010

the brown book is really is must read, and I'm getting more enthusiastic as
I proceed in chapters,

provisioning is a realy useful way to look at economics as a plurarchy of
provisioning models,

I created an entry on http://p2pfoundation.net/Food_Provisioning with sam's
contribution below, and am committed to create more provisioning pages in
the future,

Michel

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is closely related to something I've been exploring with people
> locally as way of procuring supplies of food. Some are calling these
> "foraging networks" in Europe (we may call them "foraging tribes"
> here).
>
> The idea is that we can work together to time the harvest of wild
> plant products that are legal to harvest from public lands (or private
> lands with permission), and that we can split the cost of supplies for
> labor, and split the labor of processing, and plan the actions so that
> they are efficient, and participants walk away with healthy
> alternatives to commercial agriculture. An example is the Acorn, which
> is a direct replacement for staples like grain, soy, and some beans.
> Many ancient societies subsisted off of the Acorn, although they were
> usually subsumed by agricultural societies. In this region, there are
> quite literally millions of pounds of Acorns that are there for the
> taking on public and private lands, and well planned foraging
> expeditions could yield participants with staple food product that
> could last all year, that is processed, store-able and usable in a
> variety of ways. This method of procuring staple foods can bring new
> value to public land stands of Oak trees of various types.
>
> These activities are an example of self/mutual provisioning, using a
> commons-based resource. The impact on the environment in choosing this
> alternative is exponentially less than normal food production
> approaches. The time that it could take to produce a supply of staple
> foods that can be stored for most of the year, just based on effective
> Acorn gathering, could be less than 2 weeks out of the year. It's
> possible that a group of peers, collaborating together could
> co-produce all of their food within 2-3 months (and still supplement
> with traditional gardening/agriculture, local aquaculture, etc). P2P
> Foraging is not always an option, but when it is (such as on the major
> continents) it could really pay off for participants.
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Roberto, Kevin, and really, all of you,
> >
> > in the  context of provisioning just mentioned by roberto verzola
> >
> > I want to strongly recommend a book I just started reading, and which
> > reformulates the economy in precisely that way, and in my view, itś a
> very
> > important contribution to a p2p economics,
> >
> > its Civilising the Economy, A new economics of provision, by Marvin T,
> > Brown,
> >
> > strongly recommend
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with you, Kevin, about non-State, non-commercial economic
> >> activities. Commons are one example. Toeffler a long time ago called it
> >> "prosumption" (production for consumption), I believe. I have also come
> >> across a apt term, "self-provisioning". Perhaps this classification
> suggests
> >> itself: State-provisioning, market-provisioning, mutual
> (P2P?)-provisioning,
> >> self-provisioning, etc. It also fits nicely into the definition of
> economics
> >> as the study of society's provisioning process. Of course, as you said,
> many
> >> do the activity not for its provisioning result (which may just be a
> >> side-effect) but for the sheer joy of doing it.
> >>
> >> Greetings to all from Manila,
> >>
> >> Roberto Verzola
> >>
> >> Kevin Carson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: *Kevin Carson* <free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com>>
> >>> Date: Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM
> >>> Subject: Actually Existing Internet Communism
> >>> To: free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com
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> >>>
> >>>      Sent to you by Kevin Carson via Google Reader:
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> >>>    Actually Existing Internet Communism
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> >
> >>>
> >>> via Yglesias <http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org> by myglesias on
> 11/9/10
> >>
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