[p2p-research] FW: UK's universal credit

[Michel Bauwens]

not sure richard, but I'm majorly behind in my email because of 2 succeeding
trips ..

so I'm reposting it here, to make sure,

Michel

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Richard Poynder <
richard.poynder at btinternet.com> wrote:

>  Hi Michel,
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> Did this message make it to the list do you know? I did not see it arrive.
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> *From:* Richard Poynder <richard.poynder at btinternet.com>
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> *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2010 8:56 AM
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> *To:* p2p research network <p2presearch at listcultures.org>
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> *Subject:* Re: [p2p-research] UK's universal credit
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> Yes indeed. It is, after all, an initiative of a conservative government –
> which is why I used the word imagined. I was wondering more whether once the
> infrastructure for managing a universal credit was in place another
> government might change the emphasis, removing for instance the coercive
> element, or making it more of a right. If the basic concept became an
> accepted part of the landscape it could either be gradually reduced (the
> most likely scenario I agree), or it could be used to achieve a more
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> In the same way, I would imagine the UK government’s Big Society initiative
> becoming more than just a way of cutting public spending, but a way to help
> local communities achieve greater independence, and encourage more civic
> participation. (Again, it seems, the signs are not  currently encouraging:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/fileon4#playepisode1: Charities –
> Giving and Taking).
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> As Michel says, “out of catastrophe something good may always  been born.”
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> In this sense, it may be a lot more related to neoliberal workfare than to
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> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
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> "Universal Credit" looks very "conditional" and "coercive" to me, when
> looking at the paragraph pasted below.
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> How do they define "employment" ? How do they define "work" ?
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> *Conditionality & sanctions:* Universal Credit will be supported by a
> strong system of conditionality, which will be personalised (building upon
> Professor Paul Gregg’s recommendations to the previous government).
> Unemployed people who can work will be required to take all reasonable steps
> to find and move into employment and the government will introduce a
> ‘claimant commitment’. New financial sanctions will be introduced into the
> existing benefits system to support these measures and will be carried
> through when the Universal Credit is introduced.
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> http://cesi.org.uk/NewPolicy/news/DWP_white_paper_universal_credit_published
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> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Richard Poynder <
> richard.poynder at btinternet.com> wrote:
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>   Is it possible that the universal credit announced by the UK government
> could be imagined as a step towards a basic income?
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> http://cesi.org.uk/NewPolicy/news/DWP_white_paper_universal_credit_published
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