[p2p-research] on the need for educational transmission in p2p

Sun May 2 09:22:37 CEST 2010

it is the intersection which is interesting, but I would formulate it is how
can institutions enable all kinds of learning to occur,

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Daniel Araya <daniel at levelsixmedia.com>wrote:

> It might be wiser to look at how learning occurs outside formal channels
> but for the purpose of enhancing formal institutional education. Rather than
> to completely go around institutional education. Especially for funding
>
> D
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> Daniel Araya
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> Global Studies in Education
> Department of Educational Policy Studies
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> Champaign, IL
> USA
>
> On Sun May 2 3:14 , Michel Bauwens sent:
>
>   Daniel,
>
> what about a serious study of non-institution centered knowledge
> transmission and learning, we all know and experience it is happening, but
> I'm not aware of how much this has been studied,
>
>
> it could also be part of a larger P2P Research Institute, which I dream of,
> and which could obtain funding for academic, scientific and participatory
> research into all matters p2p,
>
> the institution that starts this would be making a coup,
>
>
> Michel
>
> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Daniel Araya <daniel at levelsixmedia.com>wrote:
>
>> Another important consideration is to try and develop p2p related
>> research/publishing inside graduate education depts. That could build
>> interest and funding...
>>
>> Best,
>> Daniel
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Daniel Araya
>>
>> Global Studies in Education
>> Department of Educational Policy Studies
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>> Champaign, IL
>> USA
>>
>> On Sun May 2 2:02 , Michel Bauwens sent:
>>
>>   an important call and message from franz naharada:
>>
>>
>> I just peeked into the latest p2p digest and found these VERY wise words
>> by Daniel Araya
>> "Can stigmergic innovation replace corporations and property-based
>> capitalism? I would say yes possibly: If the innovation cycle is faster
>> and of higher quality. In the meantime I see corporations developing
>> platforms for collaborative innovation as the next wave of capitalism. P2P
>> may ultimately replace this (I add: abusive scheme of)
>> crowdsourcing/user-innovation but I would still argue that none of this
>> will happen without a cultural project focused on transmitting skills and
>> ideas. In other words, education... "
>> Thats exactly what our focus must be in the coming months and years.
>> Collective self-education as the center of transformation.
>> Thats why I also think teaming up with Global Innovation Commons is
>> utterly important.
>> We must vigorously ask for the creation of a p2p education and knowledge
>> transfer system that is focussed on local resilience and practical
>> capabilities. We must do everything to link up with Transition Towns, Gaia
>> University, P2PU and likeminded institutions and motivate those networks
>> to reach out even more to local cores of community building that result in
>> building, doing, making - at high quality.
>> We must participate in larger efforts to phrase and distill the global
>> importance of every local community experience and feed it back into a
>> living body of experience.
>> That is why I think VideoBridge is an important piece in the puzle.
>> Your upcoming trip to Italy and the meeting with Negri and other
>> multipliers is a unique opportunity to deepen the understanding that
>> *attention has to be decoupled from the temporary and spectacular* and *it
>> should be focussed on the reality of "bringing the mind home" into our
>> everyday world* and thus lead to real connectedness.
>> I see the ''piazza telematica'' idea refer and resonate with education and
>> productive capacities, and in my view the conditions are super - ripe ;
>> especially in italy  ; to lay out a more concrete vision of community
>> empowerment.
>> I tooled for some time on the technological side (Videobridging) and we
>> are still struggling to create our collaboration rooms that really enable
>> us to combine global cooperation with local impact. Giuseppe is one of the
>> VideoBridgers and I hope he will come up with community based solutions in
>> Italy.
>> Video is one indispensible factor of this. But also design languages and
>> common standards, and last but not least also a repository of stuff.
>> (hence my emphasis on Global Innovation Commons)
>> How will we bring this all together?
>> a very small - seemingly unsignificant - example comes to my mind:
>> One of our people who work in the village of Kirchbach
>> (franz.rieger at hotmail.com ) is currently in Thailand. Its a really good
>> example also in relation to your red shirt stories - a very poor area
>> named Isaan.  He has been there for three months, helping in the
>> development of the so called Lampao village. He is supporting a family
>> there since years - pays for the tuition and living costs of 2 sons, one
>> of them in Chiang Mai studying fishery by the way ;-)
>> So here they are. A poor Village of (90%) rice farmers, and the rice field
>> is too dry, and there is only one harvest per year possible. Education is
>> very poor there, the agricultural equipment is old, the soil is sandy and
>> dry, as is the climate outside the rain season. On the other side there is
>> a giant artificial lake nearby, but it is located deeper than the rice
>> fields of this particular village. So they came up with the idea of a
>> solar driven pump; a solar collector should turn solar energy into
>> mechanical energy (something that Juergen Kleinwaechter has already done
>> with Sun Pulse). That mechanical energy should drive the pump. or if there
>> are some niftier connections between the thermal and the flow side, find
>> out about them.
>> Kirchbach is the village where VideoBridging originated. Its great that
>> people from there are engaging in global projects. It would be wonderful
>> if there would be opportunities to link up individuals and groups all over
>> the world in Videobridge centers to start synchronous telecooperation to
>> solve everyday problems and empower people to deal with efficient
>> technologies. Or even better, use the visual medium to clearly capture
>> present and demonstrate problematiques and apply and comment on these
>> visuals in video conversations.
>> I encouraged Franz Rieger to address you in this context.
>> This link between virtual and physical community is in a nutshell the core
>> of the educational system that we need. We must start talking about it,
>> and see who will be there to build it. We should at least be part of that
>> effort.
>> Franz
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada at reflex.at>
>> Date: Sun, May 2, 2010 at 4:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: Reminder: VideoBridge Community in Greece
>> To: michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>> Cc: franz.rieger at hotmail.com, leitner at wikiservice.at, ralf at zoo.priv.at,
>> uweplachetka at hotmail.com, giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it, gabram at aicalmi.it
>>
>>
>> Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> schreibt:
>> >hi franz,
>> >
>> >I'm leaving for another 5 weeks in 2-3 days, and ritght now,
>> >going through my previous trip backlog, and stressing myself in the
>> >process ...
>> >
>> >how can we make any progress,
>> >I'm not hearing much from George P. ...
>> >
>> >Michel
>>
>>
>> That is why I thought  a good step could be made in Italy. I have not
>> heard from "my" (VideoBridge) people in Greece either recently. But maybe
>> we could really bring up the issue simultaneously in several countries and
>> use the momentum wherever we are in the moment.
>>
>>  I suggest you forward the following to your convenience:
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I just peeked into the latest p2p digest and found these VERY wise words
>> by Daniel Araya
>>
>> "Can stigmergic innovation replace corporations and property-based
>> capitalism? I would say yes possibly: If the innovation cycle is faster
>> and of higher quality. In the meantime I see corporations developing
>> platforms for collaborative innovation as the next wave of capitalism. P2P
>> may ultimately replace this (I add: abusive scheme of)
>> crowdsourcing/user-innovation but I would still argue that none of this
>> will happen without a cultural project focused on transmitting skills and
>> ideas. In other words, education... "
>>
>> Thats exactly what our focus must be in the coming months and years.
>> Collective self-education as the center of transformation.
>>
>> Thats why I also think teaming up with Global Innovation Commons is
>> utterly important.
>>
>> We must vigorously ask for the creation of a p2p education and knowledge
>> transfer system that is focussed on local resilience and practical
>> capabilities. We must do everything to link up with Transition Towns, Gaia
>> University, P2PU and likeminded institutions and motivate those networks
>> to reach out even more to local cores of community building that result in
>> building, doing, making - at high quality.
>>
>> We must participate in larger efforts to phrase and distill the global
>> importance of every local community experience and feed it back into a
>> living body of experience.
>>
>> That is why I think VideoBridge is an important piece in the puzle.
>>
>> Your upcoming trip to Italy and the meeting with Negri and other
>> multipliers is a unique opportunity to deepen the understanding that
>> *attention has to be decoupled from the temporary and spectacular* and *it
>> should be focussed on the reality of "bringing the mind home" into our
>> everyday world* and thus lead to real connectedness.
>>
>> I see the ''piazza telematica'' idea refer and resonate with education and
>> productive capacities, and in my view the conditions are super - ripe ;
>> especially in italy  ; to lay out a more concrete vision of community
>> empowerment.
>>
>> I tooled for some time on the technological side (Videobridging) and we
>> are still struggling to create our collaboration rooms that really enable
>> us to combine global cooperation with local impact. Giuseppe is one of the
>> VideoBridgers and I hope he will come up with community based solutions in
>> Italy.
>>
>> Video is one indispensible factor of this. But also design languages and
>> common standards, and last but not least also a repository of stuff.
>> (hence my emphasis on Global Innovation Commons)
>>
>> How will we bring this all together?
>>
>> a very small - seemingly unsignificant - example comes to my mind:
>>
>> One of our people who work in the village of Kirchbach
>> (franz.rieger at hotmail.com ) is currently in Thailand. Its a really good
>> example also in relation to your red shirt stories - a very poor area
>> named Isaan.  He has been there for three months, helping in the
>> development of the so called Lampao village. He is supporting a family
>> there since years - pays for the tuition and living costs of 2 sons, one
>> of them in Chiang Mai studying fishery by the way ;-)
>>
>> So here they are. A poor Village of (90%) rice farmers, and the rice field
>> is too dry, and there is only one harvest per year possible. Education is
>> very poor there, the agricultural equipment is old, the soil is sandy and
>> dry, as is the climate outside the rain season. On the other side there is
>> a giant artificial lake nearby, but it is located deeper than the rice
>> fields of this particular village. So they came up with the idea of a
>> solar driven pump; a solar collector should turn solar energy into
>> mechanical energy (something that Juergen Kleinwaechter has already done
>> with Sun Pulse). That mechanical energy should drive the pump. or if there
>> are some niftier connections between the thermal and the flow side, find
>> out about them.
>>
>> Kirchbach is the village where VideoBridging originated. Its great that
>> people from there are engaging in global projects. It would be wonderful
>> if there would be opportunities to link up individuals and groups all over
>> the world in Videobridge centers to start synchronous telecooperation to
>> solve everyday problems and empower people to deal with efficient
>> technologies. Or even better, use the visual medium to clearly capture
>> present and demonstrate problematiques and apply and comment on these
>> visuals in video conversations.
>>
>> I encouraged Franz Rieger to address you in this context.
>>
>> This link between virtual and physical community is in a nutshell the core
>> of the educational system that we need. We must start talking about it,
>> and see who will be there to build it. We should at least be part of that
>> effort.
>>
>> Franz
>>
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