[p2p-research] [Commoning] new post

[Michel Bauwens]

Dear Andreas,

yes, this is a very important and difficult topic, because, though markets
have preceded capitalism for a few thousand years, breaking the link would
now be much more difficult.

I would add to your more classic analysis, and do feel free to send some
english links on that german economist, that there is now an important
discovery about the design of money itself, that leads to accumulation even
without capitalism. This would mean that building alternative structures,
based on open design communities and distributed manufacturing, who could
operate a lot of their activities through mutual coordination instead of
market signals, could also buy and sell rival goods without any necessity
for accumulation, if they would use differently designed money.

The latter priority is part and parcel of the p2p approach, in fact a
central plank,

Michel

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Andreas Exner <andreas.exner at chello.at>wrote:

> hi all, espacially michel,
>
> what we did not really discuss in crottorf, though i think it to
> be of great importance, is the thesis, that market logics could
> be decoupled from capitalism.
>
> i wish that to be discussed some day in a more profound
> way. actually we recently submitted a research project where
> this question (inter alia) will be tackled.
>
> actually, i would argue that the growth imperative is founded
> on one central structural feature of a money economy, i.e. one reigned
> by markets (of labor, first of all): the abstract character of
> (economic) value.
>
> this leads to
>
> (1) an urge to grow, since more money is better than less money,
> and agents in a market economy have (per definition) no other
> means to measure economic success than to compare expenditures
> (in money terms) and income (in money terms)
>
> (2) a compulsion to grow, since markets imply competition for abstract
> value.
>
> this essentially is the position of Marx, but can be found also in
> the interesting works of the "bourgeois" economist hans christoph
> binswanger.
>
> best wishes, andreas
>
>
> >
> > great reportage Massimo ... this is pretty much what I envision the
> > transition situation to be, when commoning becomes more central within
> > capitalism, but with great potential for a phase transition away from
> > it,   as you indicate, it has problems, but it is at the same time
> > vastly superior of the existing corporate alternatives in so many
> > ways,   the question then becomes how to extend the commons aspects on
> > a local and global scale, and how to divorce market logics from
> > capitalism as an infinite growth system centered on endless
> > accumulation,   Michel
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Massimo De Angelis
> > <commoning at gmail.com> wrote:
> >     Hello everybody
> >     here is the latest reflection on a strange place we found high up
> >     on the Ecuadorian Andes. It is quite amazing that in a desolate
> >     and far away area  like this, you could find so much
> >     "entrepreneurship" . . .but what makes this Salinas experience
> >     truly interesting and intriguing is the mixture of commonism and
> >     capitalism we have found . . .
> >
> > Read
> > Branding + Mingas + Coops = Salinas
> > at http://www.commoner.org.uk/blog/?p=239
> >
> > Saludos
> > Massimo
> >
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