[p2p-research] Fwd: Daniel Araya questions institutionalization of p2p

[Michel Bauwens]

I think there is a misconception of what the P2P Foundation is about.

It is not itself a means to launch or dominate a social movement, but only a
platform where  the existing and various players of such movements can talk
to each other and exchange ideas and experiences. P2P is happening
regardless, as a shift in ways of feeling, doing, producing value etc...
These are just empirical observations and how it will play out is a matter
of legimate conjecture. Though I have my own conjectures (p2p theory, if you
could call it that, it's basically a series of hypotheses based on what I
see happening), the material is structured in such a way, that it is a
knowledge commons that can be used even if you fundamentally disagree.

There may be one day a clear political initiative to combine various forces
on a common political platform, but clearly, that is not the role of the p2p
foundation, though stimulating its existence may be.

I hear a lot of complains about our work, and that is fine for me, we (and
I) have clear limitations ... nevertheless, standing where I stand, for
example here in Greece, it is clear that the receptivity is growing, and
that the approach is taking seriously ...

Michel

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is always a delicate balance between vanguard actions and populism
> that is almost impossible to master.  My guess is that an organization gets
> one move to populism...and then it is stuck there.  Legitimacy is the issue
> of populism.  Ideas are the issue of vanguards.
>
> P2P is still experimental...really there is no "there" there yet.  The
> actual models of long-term stable survival and renewal are all in test or
> starting or yet to be discovered.  A few, like co-ops, are going strong, but
> those are largely legal/stable and uninteresting to ideas types.
>
> I think it is difficult to run a campaign of advocacy without relatively
> simple and clear objectives.  Those are hard for P2P.  More sharing?  So
> what.  Sounds like a kindergarten support agenda.  Right now P2P is neither
> angry, organized or searching in any systematic way.
>
> The Purple Movement in Italian politics is P2P.  But we don't understand
> why or know how to connect or have theories of when it transfers to
> something else.
>
> There needs to be the equivalent for P2P that Max Weber created for
> bureaucracy...an idea of what it is and what it tries to go about doing.
>
> Ryan
>
>   On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>  see: http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages&tid=1099348021222
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>> Date: Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:27 AM
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>> Daniel sent you a message.
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>> Re: Institutionalizing P2P
>>
>> Well, we shall see I guess. Lacking a political manifesto of sorts I don't
>> see what you're suggesting. On the level of publishing, there's very little
>> that is getting attention in academia or amongst policymakers. To be frank,
>> I worry that you're getting caught up in a Wilber-like drama in which you
>> think p2p is much larger than it actually is... cults are exciting yes, but
>> change requires leadership from within the core (not just the periphery).
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