[p2p-research] Wiki Content License

[Michel Bauwens]

hi alex,

you may see our method as one to be avoided, but it is about 98% of the
content,

the wikipedia/mediawiki rule is clear, do NOT post any copyrightetd material
without approval, and obviously, if I followed that rule, our wiki would be
empty,

doing a wikipedia strategy would invove writing all the articles from
scratch, and if you do that, you can in effect say, please use it freely,
it's all original,

but in our case, where most of the material is of third party origin, even
though using fair use/fair dealing as justification, you cannot give such a
blanket authorisation and say, please use our stuff and make money with it
.. that would be very misleading, dangerous for us and them, and even
unethical.

but in my proposal, you would add a sentence, if the material is original to
our wiki, feel free to re-use according to CC xx, then that would clarify
the very specfic but limited circumstances in which a commercial license
would make sense,

Michel

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Given all that has been said, especially by our two IP experts Carolina
> and
> > Andrew,
> >
> > it seems to me we have to retain NC, Patrick's suggestion
> notwithstanding,
> >
>
> I am not as clear on determination as you, Michel.
>
> I do not yet see a case where the NC is getting any of our users what
> they are looking for, though NC may position the Foundation should a
> legal issue arise.
>
> NC, it seems to me, is a way of protecting the Foundation, and
> covering up (potentially) abuse or inappropriate "Fair Dealing" on the
> site.
>
> Where users are pasting in large amounts of material from other
> sources without submitting original content
> Where there is no original "P2P Perspective" accompanying the pasted
> content
> Where the content that is pasted is not pared down to what is required
> to support an argument
> Where content pasted in has no reference or source
>
> NC would be convenient for protecting the Foundation in these cases.
>
> But I see these cases as something to be avoided.  How do others feel
> about that?
>
> I just read through the Wikipedia license/copyright page at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Copyright
>
> A few salient points:
> Copyright is never transferred to Wikipedia
> CC-BY-SA and GFDL (unversioned, with no invariant sections,
> front-cover texts, or back-cover texts) or in the public domain, and
> that this is greatly preferred to copyrighted media files used under
> fair use or otherwise.
> There are specific instructions for everyone posting materials about
> how to figure out the licensing, or to give up copyright (even though
> the copyright is not transferred to Wikipedia, it seems it must be
> vacated in order to be relicensed"
>
> The wiki is an open document so as to allow the community to edit
> pages together. I have done my best to collect use cases for the wiki
> on http://p2pfoundation.net/Important_notice_on_COPYRIGHT
>
> You can see them at the bottom.  Please feel free to add to them, or
> to comment if you feel something is missing.
>
> It seems to me that our needs are not unlike those of Wikipedia.  We
> do need to insure that we are doing a fair bit of work to insure that
> fair use and fair dealing are respected, and we do not, as it seems to
> me, have any need of pushing out or inconveniencing collaborators with
> a CC-BY-SA-NC license when a CC-BY-SA license will cover the needs
> sufficiently.
>
> There are currently few articles on the wiki provided instructions for
> end users.  There is very little instruction for users about how Fair
> Dealing works, how the Foundation interprets it, or how and what the
> community can do about it.  These would be a portion of forming a
> community agreement between authors and the Foundation.  These are
> important documents that might simply be re-published from the links
> above, or linked to appropriately.
>
> For those interested, the opinions of Andres and Carolina, who are IP
> experts and friends of the Foundation, there comments have been
> integrated into this page, as well as a list of needs, by users, for
> which the license ought facilitate ease of use.
>
>
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Important_notice_on_COPYRIGHT#Notes_on_how_the_P2P_Foundation_Wiki_is_used
>
> Does anyone have anything else to add to this discussion at this
> point?  Are we missing anything?  Feel free to email directly if
> needed.
>
> Alex
>
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