[p2p-research] Wiki Content License

Sun Jun 27 07:08:03 CEST 2010

Given all that has been said, especially by our two IP experts Carolina and
Andrew,

it seems to me we have to retain NC, Patrick's suggestion notwithstanding,

however, we could add some notice that :

1) if authors write their own original material, they could authorise
commercial use, but they should ask an explicit notice on their individual
entry?

I think this way we can satisfy people like Patrick who care about the NC
restriction, as long as they take responsiblity for their own material,

Michel

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > but again, as 95% of the material is cut and paste from other sources,
> who
> > can really give that agreement,
> >
> > the pasters such as I, presume fair use, I think correctly, but that
> means
> > others using the material should also use fair use, there is no
> automaticity
> > that everything can be copied wholesale ..
> >
>
> It depends on:
>
> 1. The law of a given country
>
> 2. The way that fair use is employed (thorough referencing is best to
> make the case for fair use)
>
> 3. The purpose of the wiki in which content is re-used under "Fair use"
>
> For instance, if p2p wiki itself is considered to be primarily for
> non-commercial, educational and informative purposes, and content is
> added from elsewhere under "Fair use", then it might actually make
> sense to use a license that is BY-NC-SA for "release" of the
> combination of original and sourced content (thus at least making an
> effort to ensure your relaying of content is meant for informational
> purposes).
>
> I'd to know what others in the p2presearch community think about the
> case of p2pwiki and it's license. Knowing that possibly the majority
> of content is re-posted from other sources without explicit
> permission, under "Fair Use" assumption, it might just be best to
> retain the BY-NC-SA so that p2pwiki can show it has done everything it
> can to ensure re-used content remains in a "Fair Use" context should
> it be re-used again outside of p2wiki?
>
>
> > now again, feel free to change the license in any way you like, i just
> want
> > this point to be clear,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> My take:
> >>
> >> I think contributors to p2p wiki should agree to allow anyone to
> >> re-use their content for anything, provided the give attribution to
> >> source, and share-alike. I think that there could be a rule that "by
> >> contributing to p2p wiki you agree to these terms". Just my opinion
> >> though.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I can't remember who choose the license, I'm actually for NOT using a
> >> > license, for the reasons I explain here:
> >> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Important_notice_on_COPYRIGHT
> >> >
> >> > but intuitively, I would suspect that a license allowing commercial
> >> > exploitation of other people's IP would lead to even more trouble,
> >> >
> >> > but I'm happy to refer to a team of decision-makers on this issue, as
> >> > I'm
> >> > agnostic ...
> >> >
> >> > Michel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Important notice on COPYRIGHT
> >> >
> >> > From P2P Foundation
> >> >
> >> > Jump to: navigation, search
> >> >
> >> > [edit] Fair Use Notice
> >> >
> >> > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
> always
> >> > been
> >> > specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such
> >> > material
> >> > available in our efforts to advance understanding of peer to peer
> >> > dynamics.
> >> >
> >> > If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of
> >> > your
> >> > own that go beyond 'fair dealing' and/or 'fair use', you must obtain
> >> > permission from the copyright owner.
> >> >
> >> > This means that our Creative Commons rule only applies to material
> that
> >> > is
> >> > originally written for our site, and only concerns a limited amount of
> >> > documents.
> >> >
> >> > [edit] Some practical recommendations
> >> >
> >> > Please note there are two kinds of pages here.
> >> >
> >> > 1) The "impersonal ones", that are continuous upgrades of third party
> >> > material and citations, through a process called opportunistic
> updating,
> >> > which is in agreement with Fair Use or 'fair dealing' (Canada)
> >> > principles.
> >> >
> >> > In such pages, it is not recommended to copy the full article, only
> the
> >> > paragraph that is relevant to the topic at hand. These original quotes
> >> > should not be modified, and should always be sourced. If you add any
> >> > comments, then such a personal voice should be stated as such. It is
> >> > recommended to use the talk pages first in case of disagreement.
> >> >
> >> > 2) personal project pages, where individuals describe their own
> concepts
> >> > and
> >> > projects. Also in this case, respect the individual voice of the
> author,
> >> > but
> >> > these pages should be clearly stated as such.
> >> >
> >> > Retrieved from "
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Important_notice_on_COPYRIGHT"
> >> > Category: Internal
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Michel and all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am concerned about the "Non-Commercial" CC license used for the
> >> >> content of the P2PFoundation wiki.
> >> >>
> >> >> What is the reason for this choice?
> >> >>
> >> >> "Non-Commercial" is incompatible with the goals of Free Software (any
> >> >> license disallowing commercial use is categorized as a non-free
> >> >> license) and will also become a burden to our organizing in the
> >> >> physical realm.
> >> >>
> >> >> Commerce has big problems now, but those issues can be repaired.
> >> >>
> >> >> We want to be able to trade and share amongst ourselves.  Does
> >> >> "non-commercial" allow that?
> >> >>
> >> >> What is the definition of "commercial" as mentioned here:
> >> >> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Patrick Anderson
> >> >> Social Sufficiency Coalition
> >> >> http://SourceFreedom.BlogSpot.com<http://sourcefreedom.blogspot.com/>
> >> >>
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