[p2p-research] Introducing Michel and Gael

Sun Jun 13 05:54:20 CEST 2010

Ok, Thanks.

Nice to meet you all (or talk to you again as the case may be)

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Sam,
>
> I'm copying your comments to some interested parties,
>
> Michel
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> My critique is fairly simple, and for all I know, it could be wrong:
>>
>>
>> Where is the open standard published at, and how do I begin to use it in
>> blogs, wiki engines, social network sites, online phone applications, etc
>> etc, today?
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> There is
>> http://metacurrency.org/content/extensible-game-format-language-xgfl
>>
>> And these examples:
>> http://github.com/zippy/flowplace/tree/f4bb36b66707bdf175b166e43b2e2850686505c5/currencieswhich is a step in the right direction
>>
>> However, I find no documents, specs, RFC's, anything that shows me how to
>> go about creating a currency as they have done, using xgfl. Plus, xgfl to me
>> does not seem appropriate, nor robust enough as the basis of a standard for
>> metacurrencies of many types. Can anyone please correct me, or show me
>> otherwise? It is common when I discuss this topic with people, for them to
>> immediately refer me to this project, but I am not finding much that I can
>> replicate and use right now, today.
>>
>> All of that said, I agree with most if not all of the core principles that
>> are espoused at http://metacurrency.org
>>
>> 2010/6/12 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>
>>  Hi sam,
>>>
>>> would you have time at some point to detail your critique of
>>> metacurrency, perhaps it could jolt them awake?
>>>
>>> I'm sure you've seen scred,
>>> http://springwise.com/financial_services/scred/
>>>
>>> more at http://delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Accounting
>>>
>>>   On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> We at Forward Foundation/Future Forward Institute are most interested
>>>> now in a real, usable, open standard for complementary currency that can be
>>>> used across platforms.
>>>>
>>>> http://metacurrency.org/ is not it. The ideas and people there are
>>>> awesome, but as of today there is no widely re-usable standard that I can
>>>> find that takes into account the nature of the resource, the nature of
>>>> transformations. It has yet to be created. We have a system for accounting
>>>> for this in the works, and would like to work with anyone interested in an
>>>> open standard (which could easily be a collection of other protocols. But,
>>>> we want to have some sound architecture)
>>>>
>>>> We'll be working on this all summer and into the fall.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Hello Gaël,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that you were thinking about a Drupal based system for your
>>>>> community platform and the complementary currency. If you have not already
>>>>> seen, please check out the Drupal based complementary money module made by
>>>>> Matthew Slater. You can find it here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.communityforge.net/
>>>>>
>>>>> more information here: http://www.communityforge.net/FAQ
>>>>>
>>>>> You can reach Matthew at
>>>>>
>>>>> matslats at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Sepp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 21/mag/10, at 18:35, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  hi gael,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm copying sam and sepp whom I see as experts in p2p infrastructural
>>>>> issues ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Gaël Van Weyenbergh <
>>>>> lessines at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel,
>>>>>> Merging a community platform and complementary currencies is indeed
>>>>>> the endeavour. At first, the system would have been Drupal based with extra
>>>>>> modules for fund raising, for exchanging services on a "marketplace" and for
>>>>>> collective decision making. Metacurrency<http://www.metacurrency.org/>developed a "
>>>>>> flowplace <http://dev.flowplace.org/>" which can possibly manage most
>>>>>> of the functions we need in a fully distributed way. I am currently in
>>>>>> contact with them. That represents a critical change in the way the project
>>>>>> will evolve. I am not tech savvy as I come from the cultural sphere and I
>>>>>> miss some knowledge in the field. Though I remain deeply convinced about the
>>>>>> necessity to embrace the P2P architecture. Advices or help on this topic are
>>>>>> truly appreciated.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Gaël
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for putting us in touch,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have seen meoh before, but not sure I'm 'getting it' yet ... first
>>>>>> look, it appears an attempt to fuse a community platform with new open money
>>>>>> exchange mechanisms?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>>>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Gael,
>>>>>> Thanks for your post.
>>>>>> I feel like introducing you to Michel Bauwens.
>>>>>> Michel,Gael is developing
>>>>>> femalepleasure.org/meoh
>>>>>> femalepleasure.org/meoh
>>>>>> Michel has been engaged in documenting p2p approaches, and facilitates
>>>>>> convergence around such ideas,
>>>>>> Including through p2pfoundation.net (wiki,blog,mailing list), where I
>>>>>> have no doubt there can be shared understanding,interest,and potential
>>>>>> synergies,and emergence.
>>>>>> I will write further when I ll have adsl internet connected.
>>>>>> For now,from mobile phone.
>>>>>> Gael's post from forum below.
>>>>>> Dante
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2010 12:26 PM, "Dante-Gabryell Monson" <
>>>>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Participants: artbrock, avdbogaert, Dante, ETheunis, jay.standish,
>>>>>> jeanlucroux, Leander, sondenkind and G
>>>>>>   [image: G's picture]
>>>>>>  G
>>>>>> 05/19/2010 - 00:27
>>>>>>  New
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome and thank you for your interest on the Meoh system! Like in
>>>>>> any task of this magnitude, the first attempts to gather people around this
>>>>>> stammering project failed to convince. It created, at best, indulgent
>>>>>> smiles. Today, the idea is more consistent and feeds passionate
>>>>>> conversations. It shows that a collective need has to be fulfilled.
>>>>>> Hopefully, we're on the way to address an answer. Since the first drafts,
>>>>>> almost a year ago, the emerging idea evolved thanks to many and especially
>>>>>> thanks to my friend Anna (and site administrator - sondenkind) who pointed
>>>>>> out the potential behind organic groups in the Drupal/CiviCRM architecture.
>>>>>> She also stressed the need to come up with a different model than the ones
>>>>>> based on secrecy, competition and scarcity. Another milestone in this quest
>>>>>> was the discovery of the Metacurrency project. The peer-to-peer approach at
>>>>>> the very core of the system makes the model robust, elegant and appealing.
>>>>>> Knowing that folks were developing an open source solution made the whole
>>>>>> Meoh project more workable. It then brought an enormous regain of energy and
>>>>>> confidence. Bernard Lietaer and Jean-Luc Roux gave the project true
>>>>>> attention. They came up with valuable resources in the field of
>>>>>> complementary currencies and collective intelligence. They also introduced
>>>>>> me to The Hub Brussels as we share similar concerns. We logically decided to
>>>>>> share knowledge as well. This is the purpose of this platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still, a lot needs to be achieved and some elements presented here may
>>>>>> seem sketchy. Collectively, I assume that we do have most of the competences
>>>>>> required to give this project to a good end. I am neither a specialist in
>>>>>> economics nor distributed networks. Instead I had the chance to work with
>>>>>> communities, to understand their needs and to make the link with people who
>>>>>> may help. Eric Harris-Braun published a post on a Zulu say which has been of
>>>>>> much inspiration. Here it is : "You can achieve the impossible, but to do
>>>>>> it, you need to see the invisible. We know how many seeds there are in a
>>>>>> pumpkin, but we do not know how many pumpkins there are in a seed." This is
>>>>>> what I enjoin you to find out together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This site contains some bugs. Most of them are known and will be fixed
>>>>>> within a few days. Anna is currently involved in an art exhibition which
>>>>>> requires full attention. Thank you for allowing a slight delay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gaël Van Weyenbergh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Think thank:
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Sam Rose
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>> Sam Rose
>> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
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>> ambition." - Carl Sagan
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Sam Rose
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"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition."
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