[p2p-research] Introducing Michel and Gael

Michel Bauwens michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 13 05:53:02 CEST 2010 

Hi Sam,

I'm copying your comments to some interested parties,

Michel

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> My critique is fairly simple, and for all I know, it could be wrong:
>
>
> Where is the open standard published at, and how do I begin to use it in
> blogs, wiki engines, social network sites, online phone applications, etc
> etc, today?
>
> That's it.
>
> There is
> http://metacurrency.org/content/extensible-game-format-language-xgfl
>
> And these examples:
> http://github.com/zippy/flowplace/tree/f4bb36b66707bdf175b166e43b2e2850686505c5/currencieswhich is a step in the right direction
>
> However, I find no documents, specs, RFC's, anything that shows me how to
> go about creating a currency as they have done, using xgfl. Plus, xgfl to me
> does not seem appropriate, nor robust enough as the basis of a standard for
> metacurrencies of many types. Can anyone please correct me, or show me
> otherwise? It is common when I discuss this topic with people, for them to
> immediately refer me to this project, but I am not finding much that I can
> replicate and use right now, today.
>
> All of that said, I agree with most if not all of the core principles that
> are espoused at http://metacurrency.org
>
> 2010/6/12 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>
>  Hi sam,
>>
>> would you have time at some point to detail your critique of metacurrency,
>> perhaps it could jolt them awake?
>>
>> I'm sure you've seen scred,
>> http://springwise.com/financial_services/scred/
>>
>> more at http://delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Accounting
>>
>>   On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> We at Forward Foundation/Future Forward Institute are most interested now
>>> in a real, usable, open standard for complementary currency that can be used
>>> across platforms.
>>>
>>> http://metacurrency.org/ is not it. The ideas and people there are
>>> awesome, but as of today there is no widely re-usable standard that I can
>>> find that takes into account the nature of the resource, the nature of
>>> transformations. It has yet to be created. We have a system for accounting
>>> for this in the works, and would like to work with anyone interested in an
>>> open standard (which could easily be a collection of other protocols. But,
>>> we want to have some sound architecture)
>>>
>>> We'll be working on this all summer and into the fall.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hello Gaël,
>>>>
>>>> I see that you were thinking about a Drupal based system for your
>>>> community platform and the complementary currency. If you have not already
>>>> seen, please check out the Drupal based complementary money module made by
>>>> Matthew Slater. You can find it here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.communityforge.net/
>>>>
>>>> more information here: http://www.communityforge.net/FAQ
>>>>
>>>> You can reach Matthew at
>>>>
>>>> matslats at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Sepp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 21/mag/10, at 18:35, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  hi gael,
>>>>
>>>> I'm copying sam and sepp whom I see as experts in p2p infrastructural
>>>> issues ...
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Gaël Van Weyenbergh <
>>>> lessines at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Michel,
>>>>> Merging a community platform and complementary currencies is indeed the
>>>>> endeavour. At first, the system would have been Drupal based with extra
>>>>> modules for fund raising, for exchanging services on a "marketplace" and for
>>>>> collective decision making. Metacurrency<http://www.metacurrency.org/>developed a "
>>>>> flowplace <http://dev.flowplace.org/>" which can possibly manage most
>>>>> of the functions we need in a fully distributed way. I am currently in
>>>>> contact with them. That represents a critical change in the way the project
>>>>> will evolve. I am not tech savvy as I come from the cultural sphere and I
>>>>> miss some knowledge in the field. Though I remain deeply convinced about the
>>>>> necessity to embrace the P2P architecture. Advices or help on this topic are
>>>>> truly appreciated.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Gaël
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for putting us in touch,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen meoh before, but not sure I'm 'getting it' yet ... first
>>>>> look, it appears an attempt to fuse a community platform with new open money
>>>>> exchange mechanisms?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gael,
>>>>> Thanks for your post.
>>>>> I feel like introducing you to Michel Bauwens.
>>>>> Michel,Gael is developing
>>>>> femalepleasure.org/meoh
>>>>> femalepleasure.org/meoh
>>>>> Michel has been engaged in documenting p2p approaches, and facilitates
>>>>> convergence around such ideas,
>>>>> Including through p2pfoundation.net (wiki,blog,mailing list), where I
>>>>> have no doubt there can be shared understanding,interest,and potential
>>>>> synergies,and emergence.
>>>>> I will write further when I ll have adsl internet connected.
>>>>> For now,from mobile phone.
>>>>> Gael's post from forum below.
>>>>> Dante
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 20, 2010 12:26 PM, "Dante-Gabryell Monson" <
>>>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Participants: artbrock, avdbogaert, Dante, ETheunis, jay.standish,
>>>>> jeanlucroux, Leander, sondenkind and G
>>>>>   [image: G's picture]
>>>>>  G
>>>>> 05/19/2010 - 00:27
>>>>>  New
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome and thank you for your interest on the Meoh system! Like in any
>>>>> task of this magnitude, the first attempts to gather people around this
>>>>> stammering project failed to convince. It created, at best, indulgent
>>>>> smiles. Today, the idea is more consistent and feeds passionate
>>>>> conversations. It shows that a collective need has to be fulfilled.
>>>>> Hopefully, we're on the way to address an answer. Since the first drafts,
>>>>> almost a year ago, the emerging idea evolved thanks to many and especially
>>>>> thanks to my friend Anna (and site administrator - sondenkind) who pointed
>>>>> out the potential behind organic groups in the Drupal/CiviCRM architecture.
>>>>> She also stressed the need to come up with a different model than the ones
>>>>> based on secrecy, competition and scarcity. Another milestone in this quest
>>>>> was the discovery of the Metacurrency project. The peer-to-peer approach at
>>>>> the very core of the system makes the model robust, elegant and appealing.
>>>>> Knowing that folks were developing an open source solution made the whole
>>>>> Meoh project more workable. It then brought an enormous regain of energy and
>>>>> confidence. Bernard Lietaer and Jean-Luc Roux gave the project true
>>>>> attention. They came up with valuable resources in the field of
>>>>> complementary currencies and collective intelligence. They also introduced
>>>>> me to The Hub Brussels as we share similar concerns. We logically decided to
>>>>> share knowledge as well. This is the purpose of this platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still, a lot needs to be achieved and some elements presented here may
>>>>> seem sketchy. Collectively, I assume that we do have most of the competences
>>>>> required to give this project to a good end. I am neither a specialist in
>>>>> economics nor distributed networks. Instead I had the chance to work with
>>>>> communities, to understand their needs and to make the link with people who
>>>>> may help. Eric Harris-Braun published a post on a Zulu say which has been of
>>>>> much inspiration. Here it is : "You can achieve the impossible, but to do
>>>>> it, you need to see the invisible. We know how many seeds there are in a
>>>>> pumpkin, but we do not know how many pumpkins there are in a seed." This is
>>>>> what I enjoin you to find out together.
>>>>>
>>>>> This site contains some bugs. Most of them are known and will be fixed
>>>>> within a few days. Anna is currently involved in an art exhibition which
>>>>> requires full attention. Thank you for allowing a slight delay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gaël Van Weyenbergh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>
>
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> --
> Sam Rose
> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
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> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
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> http://p2pfoundation.net
>
> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> ambition." - Carl Sagan
>



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