[p2p-research] Introducing Michel and Gael

Sun Jun 13 05:26:27 CEST 2010

My critique is fairly simple, and for all I know, it could be wrong:

Where is the open standard published at, and how do I begin to use it in
blogs, wiki engines, social network sites, online phone applications, etc
etc, today?

That's it.

There is
http://metacurrency.org/content/extensible-game-format-language-xgfl

And these examples:
http://github.com/zippy/flowplace/tree/f4bb36b66707bdf175b166e43b2e2850686505c5/currencieswhich
is a step in the right direction

However, I find no documents, specs, RFC's, anything that shows me how to go
about creating a currency as they have done, using xgfl. Plus, xgfl to me
does not seem appropriate, nor robust enough as the basis of a standard for
metacurrencies of many types. Can anyone please correct me, or show me
otherwise? It is common when I discuss this topic with people, for them to
immediately refer me to this project, but I am not finding much that I can
replicate and use right now, today.

All of that said, I agree with most if not all of the core principles that
are espoused at http://metacurrency.org

2010/6/12 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>

> Hi sam,
>
> would you have time at some point to detail your critique of metacurrency,
> perhaps it could jolt them awake?
>
> I'm sure you've seen scred,
> http://springwise.com/financial_services/scred/
>
> more at http://delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Accounting
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> We at Forward Foundation/Future Forward Institute are most interested now
>> in a real, usable, open standard for complementary currency that can be used
>> across platforms.
>>
>> http://metacurrency.org/ is not it. The ideas and people there are
>> awesome, but as of today there is no widely re-usable standard that I can
>> find that takes into account the nature of the resource, the nature of
>> transformations. It has yet to be created. We have a system for accounting
>> for this in the works, and would like to work with anyone interested in an
>> open standard (which could easily be a collection of other protocols. But,
>> we want to have some sound architecture)
>>
>> We'll be working on this all summer and into the fall.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hello Gaël,
>>>
>>> I see that you were thinking about a Drupal based system for your
>>> community platform and the complementary currency. If you have not already
>>> seen, please check out the Drupal based complementary money module made by
>>> Matthew Slater. You can find it here:
>>>
>>> http://www.communityforge.net/
>>>
>>> more information here: http://www.communityforge.net/FAQ
>>>
>>> You can reach Matthew at
>>>
>>> matslats at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Sepp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 21/mag/10, at 18:35, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>
>>>  hi gael,
>>>
>>> I'm copying sam and sepp whom I see as experts in p2p infrastructural
>>> issues ...
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Gaël Van Weyenbergh <
>>> lessines at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michel,
>>>> Merging a community platform and complementary currencies is indeed the
>>>> endeavour. At first, the system would have been Drupal based with extra
>>>> modules for fund raising, for exchanging services on a "marketplace" and for
>>>> collective decision making. Metacurrency <http://www.metacurrency.org/>developed a "
>>>> flowplace <http://dev.flowplace.org/>" which can possibly manage most
>>>> of the functions we need in a fully distributed way. I am currently in
>>>> contact with them. That represents a critical change in the way the project
>>>> will evolve. I am not tech savvy as I come from the cultural sphere and I
>>>> miss some knowledge in the field. Though I remain deeply convinced about the
>>>> necessity to embrace the P2P architecture. Advices or help on this topic are
>>>> truly appreciated.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Gaël
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks for putting us in touch,
>>>>
>>>> I have seen meoh before, but not sure I'm 'getting it' yet ... first
>>>> look, it appears an attempt to fuse a community platform with new open money
>>>> exchange mechanisms?
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gael,
>>>> Thanks for your post.
>>>> I feel like introducing you to Michel Bauwens.
>>>> Michel,Gael is developing
>>>> femalepleasure.org/meoh
>>>> femalepleasure.org/meoh
>>>> Michel has been engaged in documenting p2p approaches, and facilitates
>>>> convergence around such ideas,
>>>> Including through p2pfoundation.net (wiki,blog,mailing list), where I
>>>> have no doubt there can be shared understanding,interest,and potential
>>>> synergies,and emergence.
>>>> I will write further when I ll have adsl internet connected.
>>>> For now,from mobile phone.
>>>> Gael's post from forum below.
>>>> Dante
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2010 12:26 PM, "Dante-Gabryell Monson" <
>>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Participants: artbrock, avdbogaert, Dante, ETheunis, jay.standish,
>>>> jeanlucroux, Leander, sondenkind and G
>>>>   [image: G's picture]
>>>>  G
>>>> 05/19/2010 - 00:27
>>>>  New
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome and thank you for your interest on the Meoh system! Like in any
>>>> task of this magnitude, the first attempts to gather people around this
>>>> stammering project failed to convince. It created, at best, indulgent
>>>> smiles. Today, the idea is more consistent and feeds passionate
>>>> conversations. It shows that a collective need has to be fulfilled.
>>>> Hopefully, we're on the way to address an answer. Since the first drafts,
>>>> almost a year ago, the emerging idea evolved thanks to many and especially
>>>> thanks to my friend Anna (and site administrator - sondenkind) who pointed
>>>> out the potential behind organic groups in the Drupal/CiviCRM architecture.
>>>> She also stressed the need to come up with a different model than the ones
>>>> based on secrecy, competition and scarcity. Another milestone in this quest
>>>> was the discovery of the Metacurrency project. The peer-to-peer approach at
>>>> the very core of the system makes the model robust, elegant and appealing.
>>>> Knowing that folks were developing an open source solution made the whole
>>>> Meoh project more workable. It then brought an enormous regain of energy and
>>>> confidence. Bernard Lietaer and Jean-Luc Roux gave the project true
>>>> attention. They came up with valuable resources in the field of
>>>> complementary currencies and collective intelligence. They also introduced
>>>> me to The Hub Brussels as we share similar concerns. We logically decided to
>>>> share knowledge as well. This is the purpose of this platform.
>>>>
>>>> Still, a lot needs to be achieved and some elements presented here may
>>>> seem sketchy. Collectively, I assume that we do have most of the competences
>>>> required to give this project to a good end. I am neither a specialist in
>>>> economics nor distributed networks. Instead I had the chance to work with
>>>> communities, to understand their needs and to make the link with people who
>>>> may help. Eric Harris-Braun published a post on a Zulu say which has been of
>>>> much inspiration. Here it is : "You can achieve the impossible, but to do
>>>> it, you need to see the invisible. We know how many seeds there are in a
>>>> pumpkin, but we do not know how many pumpkins there are in a seed." This is
>>>> what I enjoin you to find out together.
>>>>
>>>> This site contains some bugs. Most of them are known and will be fixed
>>>> within a few days. Anna is currently involved in an art exhibition which
>>>> requires full attention. Thank you for allowing a slight delay.
>>>>
>>>> Gaël Van Weyenbergh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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