[p2p-research] Introducing Michel and Gael

Sun Jun 13 04:19:05 CEST 2010

Hi sam,

would you have time at some point to detail your critique of metacurrency,
perhaps it could jolt them awake?

I'm sure you've seen scred, http://springwise.com/financial_services/scred/

more at http://delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Accounting

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> We at Forward Foundation/Future Forward Institute are most interested now
> in a real, usable, open standard for complementary currency that can be used
> across platforms.
>
> http://metacurrency.org/ is not it. The ideas and people there are
> awesome, but as of today there is no widely re-usable standard that I can
> find that takes into account the nature of the resource, the nature of
> transformations. It has yet to be created. We have a system for accounting
> for this in the works, and would like to work with anyone interested in an
> open standard (which could easily be a collection of other protocols. But,
> we want to have some sound architecture)
>
> We'll be working on this all summer and into the fall.
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>wrote:
>
>>  Hello Gaël,
>>
>> I see that you were thinking about a Drupal based system for your
>> community platform and the complementary currency. If you have not already
>> seen, please check out the Drupal based complementary money module made by
>> Matthew Slater. You can find it here:
>>
>> http://www.communityforge.net/
>>
>> more information here: http://www.communityforge.net/FAQ
>>
>> You can reach Matthew at
>>
>> matslats at gmail.com
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Sepp
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 21/mag/10, at 18:35, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>>  hi gael,
>>
>> I'm copying sam and sepp whom I see as experts in p2p infrastructural
>> issues ...
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Gaël Van Weyenbergh <
>> lessines at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michel,
>>> Merging a community platform and complementary currencies is indeed the
>>> endeavour. At first, the system would have been Drupal based with extra
>>> modules for fund raising, for exchanging services on a "marketplace" and for
>>> collective decision making. Metacurrency <http://www.metacurrency.org/>developed a "
>>> flowplace <http://dev.flowplace.org/>" which can possibly manage most of
>>> the functions we need in a fully distributed way. I am currently in contact
>>> with them. That represents a critical change in the way the project will
>>> evolve. I am not tech savvy as I come from the cultural sphere and I miss
>>> some knowledge in the field. Though I remain deeply convinced about the
>>> necessity to embrace the P2P architecture. Advices or help on this topic are
>>> truly appreciated.
>>> Best,
>>> Gaël
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks for putting us in touch,
>>>
>>> I have seen meoh before, but not sure I'm 'getting it' yet ... first
>>> look, it appears an attempt to fuse a community platform with new open money
>>> exchange mechanisms?
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Gael,
>>> Thanks for your post.
>>> I feel like introducing you to Michel Bauwens.
>>> Michel,Gael is developing
>>> femalepleasure.org/meoh
>>> femalepleasure.org/meoh
>>> Michel has been engaged in documenting p2p approaches, and facilitates
>>> convergence around such ideas,
>>> Including through p2pfoundation.net (wiki,blog,mailing list), where I
>>> have no doubt there can be shared understanding,interest,and potential
>>> synergies,and emergence.
>>> I will write further when I ll have adsl internet connected.
>>> For now,from mobile phone.
>>> Gael's post from forum below.
>>> Dante
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2010 12:26 PM, "Dante-Gabryell Monson" <
>>> dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Participants: artbrock, avdbogaert, Dante, ETheunis, jay.standish,
>>> jeanlucroux, Leander, sondenkind and G
>>>   [image: G's picture]
>>>  G
>>> 05/19/2010 - 00:27
>>>  New
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Welcome and thank you for your interest on the Meoh system! Like in any
>>> task of this magnitude, the first attempts to gather people around this
>>> stammering project failed to convince. It created, at best, indulgent
>>> smiles. Today, the idea is more consistent and feeds passionate
>>> conversations. It shows that a collective need has to be fulfilled.
>>> Hopefully, we're on the way to address an answer. Since the first drafts,
>>> almost a year ago, the emerging idea evolved thanks to many and especially
>>> thanks to my friend Anna (and site administrator - sondenkind) who pointed
>>> out the potential behind organic groups in the Drupal/CiviCRM architecture.
>>> She also stressed the need to come up with a different model than the ones
>>> based on secrecy, competition and scarcity. Another milestone in this quest
>>> was the discovery of the Metacurrency project. The peer-to-peer approach at
>>> the very core of the system makes the model robust, elegant and appealing.
>>> Knowing that folks were developing an open source solution made the whole
>>> Meoh project more workable. It then brought an enormous regain of energy and
>>> confidence. Bernard Lietaer and Jean-Luc Roux gave the project true
>>> attention. They came up with valuable resources in the field of
>>> complementary currencies and collective intelligence. They also introduced
>>> me to The Hub Brussels as we share similar concerns. We logically decided to
>>> share knowledge as well. This is the purpose of this platform.
>>>
>>> Still, a lot needs to be achieved and some elements presented here may
>>> seem sketchy. Collectively, I assume that we do have most of the competences
>>> required to give this project to a good end. I am neither a specialist in
>>> economics nor distributed networks. Instead I had the chance to work with
>>> communities, to understand their needs and to make the link with people who
>>> may help. Eric Harris-Braun published a post on a Zulu say which has been of
>>> much inspiration. Here it is : "You can achieve the impossible, but to do
>>> it, you need to see the invisible. We know how many seeds there are in a
>>> pumpkin, but we do not know how many pumpkins there are in a seed." This is
>>> what I enjoin you to find out together.
>>>
>>> This site contains some bugs. Most of them are known and will be fixed
>>> within a few days. Anna is currently involved in an art exhibition which
>>> requires full attention. Thank you for allowing a slight delay.
>>>
>>> Gaël Van Weyenbergh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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