[p2p-research] Fw: babysitting coop as civic network

[Michel Bauwens]

Hi Neal,

this is a pretty crucial topic in terms of timing of change,

is there any possibility that you write a paragraph, or two,  to publish
with the graph, and  reference to your articles?

thanks for considering it,

otherwise, I'm asking sam and paul if they can help with this important
topic,

Michel

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Neal Gorenflo <neal at shareable.net> wrote:

> Hi Michel,
>
> Here's a post that gives an overview of the four stage complex adaptive
> cycle that Buzz and others developed:
> http://shareable.net/blog/resilience-primer
>
> Late K is where the growth cycle slows dramatically or ends.  You see
> declining returns on complexity.  The system is organized at a critical
> state.  The frequency and magnitude of disturbances increases.  Yet change
> is impossible because resources are locked up in existing relationships.
>  The next stage is breakdown when resources are released.  This sets the
> stage for renewal.  The resilience mindset sees breakdown as necessary and
> positive.  It argues for co-management of the process rather than control or
> avoidance.  Most management systems are linear in orientation and try to
> manage for an ideal, stable state.  Resilience thinking argues for managing
> with the cycles in mind.  And in late K, managing with the expectation that
> big, unpredictable disturbances will happen.
>
> I also highly recommend these books:
>
> Panarchy:
> http://astore.amazon.com/shareable08-20/detail/1559638575
>
> The Collapse of Complex Societies:
> http://astore.amazon.com/shareable08-20/detail/052138673X
>
> And I just wrote this post which has a collection of signals that suggest
> our civilization is in late K.  That was certainly the assumption of Buzz
> and others at the recent Vienna resilience event:
>
> http://shareable.net/blog/viennese-talks-on-resilience-networks
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
>  Cheers,
>
> Neal
>
> --
>
> Neal Gorenflo || Publisher, http://shareable.net || @ShareableDesign
>
>
>   On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi neal,
>>
>> i'm very interested in the timing issue for p2p change,
>>
>> could you explain more in detail what the late K state is, and how and
>> where buzz discusses this? (or send links if you know of any)
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>   On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Neal Gorenflo <neal at shareable.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> Very interesting about what you bring up about scale.  I spoke last week
>>> at the Viennese Talks About Resilience & Networks with Buzz Holling, Bernard
>>> Lietaer, Harald Katzmair, and others.
>>>
>>> A strong theme emerged about the importance of cross scale linkages.  In
>>> the resilience framework, adaptation is made much more difficult if there
>>> are no or weak cross-scale links.
>>>
>>> Yet, in the context of social change currently, Buzz made the point that
>>> political organization at the national and international level is so
>>> constrained, so unable to respond, that his advice was to not get depressed
>>> about it, it's natural at this phase of an adaptive cycle (late K), and
>>> instead do something positive you know about at your scale for the common
>>> good.
>>>
>>> Community organizing is perfect for this because it connects individuals
>>> with small groups and small groups with a neighborhood and a neighborhood to
>>> a city.  It connects all the scales where there still some room to maneuver.
>>>
>>> In the resilience context, p2p innovations are quite adaptive as work
>>> arounds the frozen upper scales creating new patterns of value creation that
>>> set the stage for a new economy that uses less energy,creates more value, is
>>> more resilient, and distributes value more broadly.  Anyway, let's hope so
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Neal
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Neal Gorenflo || Publisher, http://shareable.net || @ShareableDesign
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you think of when you see this list?
>>>>
>>>> Boy Scouts of America
>>>> Chamber of Commerce / Junior Chamber of Commerce
>>>> Alcoholics Anonymous
>>>> Future Farmers of America
>>>> Rotary International / Rotaract
>>>> The Freemasons
>>>>
>>>> I'm a member of more than 2 of these, myself.  Many of them follow the
>>>> bulk of the rules outlined in the Shareable post.
>>>>
>>>> I would add churches to the list as well, but I think it's pretty clear
>>>> by now that modernity and postmodernity make it rather difficult for the
>>>> average human to simply walk into a church, get on with everyone, and feel
>>>> well enough at home to contribute to the common good.
>>>>
>>>> The future of civic networks will require something that none of these
>>>> offer, while still offering everything that these offer (in another/some
>>>> form).
>>>>
>>>> While in graduate school I spent quite a bit of time researching civic
>>>> network protocol.  One place where I spent some time was in churches doing
>>>> political organizing...just like Barack Obama...and my teacher was form the
>>>> same lineage as Obama's, as a matter of fact.  The idea behind this was that
>>>> churches, in America, remain the last standing consumer power base
>>>> aggregation point of any worthy note.  It was unfortunate that this was the
>>>> case, but it was and still is true all the same.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, my time spent on this line of work was centered around
>>>> understanding how small teams of one or two people can quickly facilitate a
>>>> self-organizing node in a network (of churches / religious people / people).
>>>>  This node, ideally, would be resilient and responsive to the needs of the
>>>> community, quickly growing and  iterating to provide for the various needs
>>>> of the community with regards to committing themselves further towards the
>>>> needs of the members of the network node, all the while staying
>>>> action-oriented towards a common superordinate goal.
>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Superordinate_Goal
>>>>
>>>> I spent over 10 years in this variety of organizing, at the explicitly
>>>> personal/individual and node, and intra-node.  My now issue of the past 6
>>>> years has more to do with 'network jumping' between networks created around
>>>> superordinate goals  Networks of networks of networks of networks of
>>>> networks of networks...  Turtles all the way down.  Protocol every which
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> At this moment I am most concerned with the set of principles that
>>>> allows us to understand how scale invariance looks, as a protocol, at what
>>>> only appears to be different layers.  It's as if we look at the personal,
>>>> the node, the intra-node, and we would like to think that there really are
>>>> different things happening at each level.  I just don't believe that.  I
>>>> know it's not true.
>>>>
>>>> The Next civic organizations are built of protocol that allows for scale
>>>> invariance.  As above, so below.
>>>>
>>>> It's my intention to continue to work on documenting what the heck that
>>>> looks like on the P2P Foundation wiki.  Scale invariance for protocol
>>>> requires lots and lots of documentation.  Everything that would be true for
>>>> a country is true for an individual.  Every principle that holds a people
>>>> together is so for individuals.  Each interaction has some anallog at every
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> Alex Rollin
>>>> http://alexrollin.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Gary Myers <garymyers222 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  What is your best example of a civic network?
>>>>>
>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Cc:* Gary Myers <garymyers222 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sun, May 30, 2010 12:34:22 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Fw: babysitting coop as civic network
>>>>>
>>>>> dear alex, here are the 20 rules:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *1. Should be engaged in a perpetual campaign to improve the quality
>>>>> of life on the ground. Must be rooted in local communities unified by a
>>>>> common vision that everyone can work toward. They must create a narrative
>>>>> that is open for users to dialog with that guides action and gives purpose.
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> *2. Must help individuals self-assess, self-author their lives, fully
>>>>> express their passions in the community, and become leaders in the field of
>>>>> their choice, however obscure. The network should give users the opportunity
>>>>> to:*
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Know their strengths and passions
>>>>> * Help others according to strengths and passions
>>>>> * Develop projects aligned with their beliefs, strenghts and passions
>>>>> * Invite others to help them with their projects
>>>>> * Become leaders by doing the above*
>>>>>
>>>>> *3. Must cultivate moderators at each level of the network
>>>>> (inter-household, neighborhood, community) willing to promote, moderate,
>>>>> grow and manage the community.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *4. Must offer a wide variety of services that enable citizens to
>>>>> self-organize to meet their needs. To get a critical mass of participation
>>>>> at the local level, civic networks will have to offer a wide range of
>>>>> services. Like Facebook, the civic network will be a platform for
>>>>> applications. The only difference is that civic applications are focused on
>>>>> increasing quality of life rather wasting users time.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *5. Must create a culture of cooperation through such things as:*
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Personal profiles that inventory an individuals skills, talents,
>>>>> experience, knowledge, goals, and projects and invite collaboration
>>>>> * Create norms for cooperation, trust, and social connections through
>>>>> soft (culture-based) and hard (software-based) methods *
>>>>>
>>>>> *6. Cooperation must follow a developmental path from simple, easy,
>>>>> low trust collaborations like exchanging information to more complex, more
>>>>> difficult, higher trust activities like cooperative childcare, artistic
>>>>> collaborations, and asset sharing.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *7. Must make visible human and physical assets of the network. An
>>>>> asset map better allows users and the community to mobilize resources to
>>>>> achieve goals.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *8. Must connect individuals and organizations in the network in a
>>>>> system of explicit interdependence and mutual benefit. This means that every
>>>>> entity knows not only what they will get but how the community will benefit
>>>>> as a whole by participating. Ideally, each entity gets something they
>>>>> desperately need.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *9. Must show immediate benefit to individuals and institutions while
>>>>> working toward larger long-term benefits.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *10. Must make it a meaningful infinite game. The network must measure
>>>>> and reward individual and network progress toward vision with intrinsic
>>>>> rewards making everyone feel a part of a larger story of ongoing success
>>>>> with no limit on the rewards.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *11. Must make it a fun finite game. The network must create
>>>>> constructive competitions rewarding those who contribute the most to the
>>>>> network with time limits, scorekeeping, and extrinsic rewards (that
>>>>> hopefully feedback into the community, no ipod contests!).*
>>>>>
>>>>> *12. Must give back any profits to the community in a systematic,
>>>>> predictable, and transparent manner. The recipients of donations must be
>>>>> democratically determined by a disinterested third party (i.e.community
>>>>> foundation or community development corporation) or by members.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *13. Must give every member a chance to become a leader, steward or
>>>>> evangelists for the network and systematically cultivate leadership so there
>>>>> is a stable pipeline of talent. Then connect the leaders.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *14. The progress of the network must be reported on regularly to
>>>>> create a positive feedback loop. News flow must emphasize success stories,
>>>>> report on progress toward vision, profile network role models, how tos,
>>>>> report on network assets, and demonstrate the power of cooperation.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *15. The service must shape a socially constructive identity for users
>>>>> to dialog with. Users must be given a role to play out in a story told by
>>>>> the interplay between system and user. The system must activate the heroic
>>>>> archetype in users.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *16. The brand of the network must be a user-supported call to action.
>>>>> The brand must be inclusive, co-created, and experiential. The brand must
>>>>> have a civic architecture.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *17. Must have a charter detailing the norms of the network, norms
>>>>> which help ensure fidelity to the purpose of the network.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *18. Real, open, and owned identity. The network must incorporate
>>>>> trust systems that verify identity. Must support open ID (portable
>>>>> profiles). Users’ personal and usage data must be controlled by users. Only
>>>>> users can determine the privacy policy.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *19. Users rule, literally. The network must be user owned, managed,
>>>>> and governed by users for the benefit of users in a completely transparent
>>>>> manner.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *20. Quality over quantity. The goal of the network is to cultivate
>>>>> leadership in members, not just get members at any cost. While consumer
>>>>> culture creates consumers, this system creates citizens. The way to create
>>>>> citizens is to create quality leadership development experiences,
>>>>> experiences that are life-changing. For instance, the opportunity to
>>>>> co-manage a babysitting coop organized online could be a life-transforming
>>>>> leadership development experience.”*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I spent some time in China...I can see where this person is going with
>>>>>> the Civic Network.  Can you pass along the "20 qualities of a civic
>>>>>> network?'  I'd like to see that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am working on a set of documents for supporting highly open
>>>>>> non-privateering cooperatives.  I'm also putting heavy emphasis on 'civic'
>>>>>> preservation of capital operating assets, ie 500 year horizon.  I'm
>>>>>> reorganizing the p2p wiki pages now to support an interlocking system of
>>>>>> small cooperatives functioning to out-coordinate local private enterprise.
>>>>>>  I am making these notes and linking pages to
>>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Cooperative_Ecology_Project.  There's plenty
>>>>>> of room for others to help in the endeavor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you the person behind the accounting system on the babysitting
>>>>>> site?  I've been rolling around a few ideas for custom solutions to other
>>>>>> niches where coordination is outsourced to for-profit companies, but where
>>>>>> the work itself is basically simple accounting and compliance related tasks.
>>>>>>  I've not had yet enough time to put together a perfect storm assay of all
>>>>>> the qualities that will make these 'edge' opportunities easily identifiable,
>>>>>> but they certainly exist, and coops with not-for-loss perspectives will have
>>>>>> the best chance of building trust with 'markets' where the choice between
>>>>>> one offering and another is rarely about money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> http://alexrollin.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Gary Myers <garymyers222 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  See below...thanks for your help.  What more can we do to get more
>>>>>>> momentum on these tompics?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>>>>>>> *From:* Gary Myers <garymyers222 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> *To:* Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>; Samuel Rose <
>>>>>>> samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sun, May 30, 2010 11:21:55 AM
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: babysitting coop as civic network
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Thank you for your interest babysittingcoop.com as an example of a
>>>>>>> civic network enhanced by a money-free computer assisted barter system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have attached a sample thesis I just mailed to a grad student in
>>>>>>> China. I am looking for help!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *To:* Peer-To-Peer Research List <p2presearch at listcultures.org>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>; garymyers222 at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sun, May 30, 2010 9:41:20 AM
>>>>>>> *Subject:* babysitting coop request
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> comment via
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   *Gary Myers*
>>>>>>> babysittingcoop.com
>>>>>>> garymyers222 at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> 67.185.50.144<http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?s=67.185.50.144&mode=detail>
>>>>>>> Submitted on 2010/05/29 at 5:36pm<http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-twenty-rules-we-need-for-open-civic-networks/2010/05/28/comment-page-1#comment-429532>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been looking for this kind of guideline for building a
>>>>>>> community. I invite you to help me build your vision with all the members of
>>>>>>> babysittingcoop.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These moms are re-inventing the idea of neighborhood. It is really
>>>>>>> amazing to see the strength of the support for each other that grows once
>>>>>>> the co-op gets started…the makings of a good masters thesis…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am looking for anyone that wants to make a small bit of history in
>>>>>>> building a community like envisioned in this article.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In another application of the twenty rules, the BP spill site has
>>>>>>> 96,000 technical suggestions sent in. A good civic community could self
>>>>>>> organize and allow people to step into a variety of roles needed to review
>>>>>>> filter and screen this massive number of suggestions. Who knows a very good
>>>>>>> idea may be buried in those 96,000 emails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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